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Multiboxing softwares ruining pvp

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#181 - 2013-08-05 01:41:02 UTC
Alaekessa wrote:
Another qualm this raises in my mind is how does this not make Eve Pay2Win?


What are you getting that 5 people can't get through regular gameplay?

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Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#182 - 2013-08-05 02:16:25 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Alaekessa wrote:
Another qualm this raises in my mind is how does this not make Eve Pay2Win?


What are you getting that 5 people can't get through regular gameplay?


I'm getting the same results without the need for herding the cats. It could be argued that simply that alone is enough of an advantage to warrant its exclusion.

Could you imagine what large fleets would be like if you didn't have to wait for everyone to form up? Logon, go pwn face. **** listening to people whining on comms, playing bad music and giving me more reasons for my misanthropy. **** kowtowing to someone who only thinks they're important because they've surrounded themselves with sycophants, I can OMA all of 0.0, just give me ISBoxer and 20k accounts (plus all of the required hardware).

I understand your argument though it still leaves me slightly puzzled.

If Eve were free to play, would CCP still allow ISBoxer?
Tikera Tissant
#183 - 2013-08-05 04:59:49 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:

Just make the difference between:

1. Alt tabbing trough 10 accounts, for an example to set orbit distance or for align, push f1 for shooting, and push f2 to tackle, it takes time right? Anything can go bad while you are doing it.

2. Set orbit distance, push f1 for shooting, and f2 for tackle, and 9 other accounts will do the same at the same time.

There is a big difference right?


1. If you alt-tab 10 accounts (or even 2), you are doing something very wrong.
2. If you set your overview correctly, you can do it very fast (personal experience, its super easy).
3. There are huge limits to multiboxing with a software which you can use for your advantage.
4. Learn to use your brain. If you get tackled by a 10 accounts multiboxer, you are doing something wrong...
Dave Stark
#184 - 2013-08-05 05:24:27 UTC
Alaekessa wrote:
If Eve were free to play, would CCP still allow ISBoxer?


of course they would. it'd still mean higher subscriber numbers and more potential microtransactions which would inevitably be the way the game would be funded if it were f2p.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#185 - 2013-08-05 05:25:15 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Alaekessa wrote:
If Eve were free to play, would CCP still allow ISBoxer?

of course they would. it'd still mean higher subscriber numbers and more potential microtransactions which would inevitably be the way the game would be funded if it were f2p.

Microtransactions ...

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Dave Stark
#186 - 2013-08-05 05:29:21 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Alaekessa wrote:
If Eve were free to play, would CCP still allow ISBoxer?

of course they would. it'd still mean higher subscriber numbers and more potential microtransactions which would inevitably be the way the game would be funded if it were f2p.

Microtransactions ...

...that is the right word for it? i've just woken up...
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#187 - 2013-08-05 05:29:32 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
...microtransactions...



You said the "M" word...


Excuse yourself asap !!

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#188 - 2013-08-05 05:31:04 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Alaekessa wrote:
If Eve were free to play, would CCP still allow ISBoxer?

of course they would. it'd still mean higher subscriber numbers and more potential microtransactions which would inevitably be the way the game would be funded if it were f2p.

Microtransactions ...

...that is the right word for it? i've just woken up...

Yeah, I think that's the right term.

Though some prefer "nickel and dime online"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#189 - 2013-08-05 06:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Arareb
altho I dont believe the situation the op described as a ISboxer or anything similiar, I believe that ISboxer and any software that let you control various accounts at the exact same time is a form of cheating, and why I say this? if its cheat then multiboxing is a cheat?

NOEvil there´s a BIG diference, if I multibox, what I do is alt+tab between clients, or even switch between various clients in window mode side by side to be even faster, here´s the thing, it takes time even that only some seconds to put all the alts to work, thats the problem of one person have when he/she wants to have his/her personal army, and thats as it should be Straight

now imagine Im using ISboxer or any similiar software, I click once, I give the command once, and suddently all the alts start executing that one command at exactly same time, can you see the small/BIG diference here? Not to mention that is less work, less multitasking, and as so much less chance of making a mistake..

another example: if you have a fleet of lets say 6 pilots, even you have an FC that give up orders like align here, target this, burn away from X, overheat on Y, etc. this ppl will control they own ships, there can be mistakes happening, afterall that fleet is all human, rightWhat? now the isboxer guy is the one controlling all 6 alts, what happen is this: align here [BANG] all fleet start aligning exactly at the same time, Target this [BANG] entire fleet target at exactly same time, Shoot X [BANG] target dead, alpha´ed to hell, no chance of one of the members of that fleet been a little slower then all the others, getting you a chance to activate that cycle on the ASB (example)

so in the end a ISboxer fleet, will only make a mistake if the master controlling all them do the mistake

ISboxer and similiar softwares kills human process on the game, as fast as you can go issuing commands between your alts, is you the human that command them all and even you take one second to switch betweens clients, you waste one extra second cause of eve working in 1sec ticks, that means if you have a fleet of 6 the last alt will execute your original command 12 seconds later, not to mention that in this way you can make mistakes trying to micromanage all that, ending being even slower then thatRoll
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#190 - 2013-08-05 06:27:37 UTC
All this isboxer rage.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#191 - 2013-08-05 07:46:49 UTC
Cpt Arareb wrote:
altho I dont believe the situation the op described as a ISboxer or anything similiar, I believe that ISboxer and any software that let you control various accounts at the exact same time is a form of cheating, and why I say this? if its cheat then multiboxing is a cheat?

NOEvil there´s a BIG diference, if I multibox, what I do is alt+tab between clients, or even switch between various clients in window mode side by side to be even faster, here´s the thing, it takes time even that only some seconds to put all the alts to work, thats the problem of one person have when he/she wants to have his/her personal army, and thats as it should be Straight

now imagine Im using ISboxer or any similiar software, I click once, I give the command once, and suddently all the alts start executing that one command at exactly same time, can you see the small/BIG diference here? Not to mention that is less work, less multitasking, and as so much less chance of making a mistake..

another example: if you have a fleet of lets say 6 pilots, even you have an FC that give up orders like align here, target this, burn away from X, overheat on Y, etc. this ppl will control they own ships, there can be mistakes happening, afterall that fleet is all human, rightWhat? now the isboxer guy is the one controlling all 6 alts, what happen is this: align here [BANG] all fleet start aligning exactly at the same time, Target this [BANG] entire fleet target at exactly same time, Shoot X [BANG] target dead, alpha´ed to hell, no chance of one of the members of that fleet been a little slower then all the others, getting you a chance to activate that cycle on the ASB (example)

so in the end a ISboxer fleet, will only make a mistake if the master controlling all them do the mistake

ISboxer and similiar softwares kills human process on the game, as fast as you can go issuing commands between your alts, is you the human that command them all and even you take one second to switch betweens clients, you waste one extra second cause of eve working in 1sec ticks, that means if you have a fleet of 6 the last alt will execute your original command 12 seconds later, not to mention that in this way you can make mistakes trying to micromanage all that, ending being even slower then thatRoll


Exactly
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
#192 - 2013-08-05 09:35:06 UTC
At op. Make some friends
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2013-08-05 09:46:16 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
All this isboxer rage.

it's getting at the same level of ECM rage.

it has it's own schedule too! once a month!

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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#194 - 2013-08-05 09:47:51 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
All this isboxer rage.

it's getting at the same level of ECM rage.

it has it's own schedule too! once a month!


I think you can't compare the two.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2013-08-05 10:24:42 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
All this isboxer rage.

it's getting at the same level of ECM rage.

it has it's own schedule too! once a month!


I think you can't compare the two.

well, thanks you, good sir, we can now compare it.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#196 - 2013-08-05 10:54:17 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
All this isboxer rage.

it's getting at the same level of ECM rage.

it has it's own schedule too! once a month!


I think you can't compare the two.

well, thanks you, good sir, we can now compare it.


Raging about an ewar module which is a PART OF THE GAME is not like raging about a 3RD PARTY software, which shouldn't affect the game.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#197 - 2013-08-05 11:05:53 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
All this isboxer rage.

it's getting at the same level of ECM rage.

it has it's own schedule too! once a month!


I think you can't compare the two.

well, thanks you, good sir, we can now compare it.


Raging about an ewar module which is a PART OF THE GAME is not like raging about a 3RD PARTY software, which shouldn't affect the game.

yet you're the one making the same type of the proverbial storm in a teacup, but instead for the unfairness of the RNG, you're doing it for something that is just the software translation of this.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#198 - 2013-08-05 12:24:21 UTC
So the real OP's problem is that he can't afford better hardware and buy ISboxer and get more alts..

OP, please don't ask to alter/change game just because you are poor and have a **** hardware.


Thank you.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#199 - 2013-08-05 12:51:28 UTC
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
So the real OP's problem is that he can't afford better hardware and buy ISboxer and get more alts..

OP, please don't ask to alter/change game just because you are poor and have a **** hardware.


Thank you.


He is not asking to alter/change the game in any way, the topic is about a 3rd party program that enables gameplay not accessible without it.



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Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#200 - 2013-08-05 12:57:39 UTC
Roime wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
So the real OP's problem is that he can't afford better hardware and buy ISboxer and get more alts..

OP, please don't ask to alter/change game just because you are poor and have a **** hardware.


Thank you.


He is not asking to alter/change the game in any way, the topic is about a 3rd party program that enables gameplay not accessible without it.




Yes, and his PC is too crappy to run more than 2 accounts, so he cant use that ISboxer software, so he feels that everyone must be limited just to 2-4 accounts controllable without any 3rd party software..