EVE General Discussion

How long must Fountain be held to turn a profit?

I have started hearing tear filled accounts from TEST and even Goons about the 'good old days' of unity.
This makes me wonder what those connections were worth in terms of ISK.


TEST members in a illuminated state of explanation have offered this:
GSF needed the ISK to keep existing and in a survival situation you have no friends.

GSF members indicate so such economic peril existed.

Who is right? War has decided who is left.


What is the value of an ally in EVE?

Is it merely a function of your ability to survive without them?

How long until Goons are 'in the black' following their successful campaign?

I heard it was 5 trillion and a copy of GTA V for every member of BL

Fit Legion doesn't eat bacon, too busy sculpting pecs

So the whole moon story being worth less than ebfore was a made up story. You only needed more moons to pay more bacon since Boat was highjacking some shipmenst. Interesting.

We had a large war chest. That war chest would have dwindled without additional income. We were not in a kill or be killed situation, we were in a "If we want to continue throwing money away like MC Hammer we need to get more income" situation.

I'm the 1% holding you down.

I just wanted to shoot at stuff, call me old fashioned.

Marlona estimated the output of the fountain moons at <7b ISK per day. The "total isk war by alliance" graph puts the cost of the war at ~700b for CFC and friends. The average cost of a sov system seems to be ~13m ISK/day according to the CONDI finance spreadsheet. Fountain has 108 conquerable systems (which makes for a sov cost of about 1.4b per day).

So the CFC would have to hold Fountain and its moons for at least 125 days to turn a profit based on moons - if you consider that the 700b in ships could have been used otherwise the result would look significantly worse (at a relatively conservative 10% that's 2.3b ISK per day in opportunity cost), if you also consider the man hours spent structure grinding the entire venture is ridiculously unprofitable.

=> the CFC invaded Fountain because kicking over sand castles is what they enjoy doing - not because it was a sensible financial decision for the coalition as a whole based on moon income.
However, the moon income goes into the wallets of a few wealthy individuals whereas most of the cost falls on the shoulders of the grunts. For the small elite that controls alliance wallets the war might look profitable because structures your members grind for you are free.

I'm sorry to interrupt,
but this isn't actually clear to me.

As you fly with DBRB, is it your own fleets you're evaporating,
or are you really, actually, talking about your enemies ?

Only in the terrible, lesser groups we kick out.

Our finances go into providing free pvp ships and activities for everyone from day one newbees to Mr. Vee.