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The Beginning of the End for OGB

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#21 - 2013-08-02 04:49:00 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Proposed Changes in F&I Forums

TL;DR:

You can't boost from inside a POS.
Strategic Cruisers are going from 5% to 2% per level.
Mindlink bonus reduced from +50% to +25%
Warfare Specialist skill bonus changed from the current 100% bonus 20% bonus per level
All defensive (Siege and Armored) links: Max Bonus reduced from 35% to 25%
Interdiction Maneuvers: Max Bonus reduced from 53% to 39%.


this is what it should have read.
Strategic Cruisers are going from 5% to 0% per level.
Mindlink bonus reduced from +50% to +0%
Warfare Specialist skill bonus changed from the current 100% bonus 0% bonus per level
All defensive (Siege and Armored) links: Max Bonus reduced from 35% to 0%
Interdiction Maneuvers: Max Bonus reduced from 53% to 0%.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#22 - 2013-08-02 05:13:28 UTC
Oh man, this makes me want to restart Trinkets friendly Advice Column.

The people whining about the POS bubble lockout on boosters are the worst. Learn to look at your second screen. Watch out for nado gangs. OMG, there's a soupcon of risk in your bucket of win. Unsub now.

I, too, wondered about the problem in lowsec which i was experiencing. Like, when a guy locked me from way too far away, like, 80km. That was a problem, so unfair! I was having trouble not dying by just warping away! Much better now that he will be able to point me much faster. At least he'll be within range of my furious DPS, rawr!

The nerfs on info links I...really do not understand. I can't see how a TP being buffed 35% is worse than it being buffed 20%. A ship's sig radius isn't as big a problem as it going 53% faster, pointing from 43% further than you and having 34% less sig.

At least if you wer barkingly mad enough to have a Proteus booster in fleet your TP bonus used to let you TP off his Loki-boosted sig reduction. So you could still totally DIAF helplessly being kited by everything, forever, with your sensor brofist.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#23 - 2013-08-02 06:01:29 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Oh man, this makes me want to restart Trinkets friendly Advice Column.


This is best thing I've read on the forums for about a month! Lol

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-08-02 10:07:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsubutai
The proposed changes won't have a big impact. With current Loki boosts, an unheated T2 point reaches 36.7km; after the nerf, it'll be 33.3 km with Claymore boosts and 32.9 with Loki boosts. You're still not getting away from that fine gentleman in his Condor, I'm afraid. Likewise, the change to command ships and pos boosting just means that you'll be seeing fits like the one shown below sitting on heavily armed towers with their noses poking just far enough out from the forcefield to be able to provide bonuses while being impossible to bump and able to instantly duck back inside the shields when threatened, only to re-emerge and resume boosting when the danger passes.

[Claymore, who needs two boosting alts anyway]
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II
Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency II
Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding II
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

(around 100k EHP with its own boosts, provides full strength tank and skirmish bonuses simultaneously)
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#25 - 2013-08-02 11:10:06 UTC
People will still complain about OGB but the changes are very promising. Right now one dude can roll out of bed, set up a booster in a POS for his amigos and walk away for the rest of the day. People might hug the POS or undock a booster for fights, but 23.5/7 boosters are going to go away.

Other points:
CS require more SP to get into.
Deathstars are expensive to maintain and inviting targets.
Mo' Tornados! Mo' Tornados! Mo' Tornados!
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#26 - 2013-08-02 11:43:37 UTC
I think ccp should hold off on buffing active tanks until ogb is done away with.

Legion makes armor rep ships god mode already.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-08-02 11:59:49 UTC
Cearain wrote:
I think ccp should hold off on buffing active tanks until ogb is done away with.

Legion makes armor rep ships god mode already.

The nerf to link strength outweights the buff to local reps - legion/damnation-boosted active tankers will have weaker tanks after the patch than they do at present (which won't really matter because they'll still sustainably tank considerably more damage than a same-class ship can put out if they're fit appropriately).
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-08-02 12:06:27 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
i see lots of "auxiliary" accounts being held.... Cool

Personally will need to find something for my own booster account to have it active. -10USD/month for me. great!


Cap Pilot, Indy alt, Logistics alt, scout alt, Market Alt, incursion alt, ....

Gee, if only there were other aspects of EvE beyond OGB'ing that you could explore with that character...

cap pilot - not used when you are in high-sec
indy alt - alt on the same account already
logistics alt - it's too much effort for nothing really
scout - maybe, but usually i don't bring anything expensive into danger areas. doesn't worth the risk
market alt - why alt if you have main char?
incursion - boring farming

next options?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#29 - 2013-08-02 12:12:42 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
People will still complain about OGB but the changes are very promising. Right now one dude can roll out of bed, set up a booster in a POS for his amigos and walk away for the rest of the day. People might hug the POS or undock a booster for fights, but 23.5/7 boosters are going to go away.

Other points:
CS require more SP to get into.
Deathstars are expensive to maintain and inviting targets.
Mo' Tornados! Mo' Tornados! Mo' Tornados!



This is a good point.

But I am a bit more pessimistic. The boosts themselves are not really decreased much or at least they still = god mode. And they still buffed links by buffing local reps (which takes the most advantage of ogbs especially the ones that require cap - which are the only ones they boosted)

But here is the thing. What you say is true people won't be able to easily share link ships anymore. Is ccp hoping people will buy even more link accounts? I think the playerbase might be getting played.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#30 - 2013-08-02 12:18:06 UTC
Tsubutai wrote:
Cearain wrote:
I think ccp should hold off on buffing active tanks until ogb is done away with.

Legion makes armor rep ships god mode already.

The nerf to link strength outweights the buff to local reps - legion/damnation-boosted active tankers will have weaker tanks after the patch than they do at present (which won't really matter because they'll still sustainably tank considerably more damage than a same-class ship can put out if they're fit appropriately).



I understand that. But this still offsets the nerf doesn't it?

Analogy:
Imagine the heavy missile drake was crazy overpowered so that there was no need to fly any other ships. CCP give the drake a small nerf but then boosts heavy missiles. End result = not much of a nerf.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-08-02 12:53:04 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
i see lots of "auxiliary" accounts being held.... Cool

Personally will need to find something for my own booster account to have it active. -10USD/month for me. great!


Cap Pilot, Indy alt, Logistics alt, scout alt, Market Alt, incursion alt, ....

Gee, if only there were other aspects of EvE beyond OGB'ing that you could explore with that character...

cap pilot - not used when you are in high-sec
indy alt - alt on the same account already
logistics alt - it's too much effort for nothing really
scout - maybe, but usually i don't bring anything expensive into danger areas. doesn't worth the risk
market alt - why alt if you have main char?
incursion - boring farming

next options?


No Falcon alt? 0.o

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-08-02 13:30:58 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
No Falcon alt? 0.o

Eve is a game and not second job Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#33 - 2013-08-02 13:32:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Seraph Castillon wrote:
This is a great day for solo and small gang PvP. About time.


Actually I think its the opposite - small groups and solos are losing their equalizer.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#34 - 2013-08-02 13:39:39 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Seraph Castillon wrote:
This is a great day for solo and small gang PvP. About time.


Actually I think its the opposite - small groups and solos are losing their equalizer. Only way now to fight larger groups will be to bring more people . . .

everybody assumes that larger gangs never have links.

If you want to fight outnumbered you better have a good plan anything else just shows that the OGB system is/was broken.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#35 - 2013-08-02 13:57:07 UTC
The more I think about it the more I see these changes as a complete shell game.

OGBs still = god mode. Especially since they are buffing the type of tank ogbs bonus the most - local active tanks.

But now you can't share them as easilly (due to pos no longer working) so if you want to play in god mode you need your own alt. So more people will need to start buying alt accounts. CCP made it easier to do with cheaper links and more variety.

In the short term we will see fewer boosted pvpers but in the long term we will see more booster alt accounts.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#36 - 2013-08-02 13:57:24 UTC
Was about time it happened.

Some nice changes coming up. I just wish they would've reduced the bonus from links properly.

pew pew

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#37 - 2013-08-02 15:20:57 UTC
Changes are crap, bring that **** on grid and put them on killmails or **** off.

nom nom

Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#38 - 2013-08-02 15:26:15 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
i see lots of "auxiliary" accounts being held.... Cool

Personally will need to find something for my own booster account to have it active. -10USD/month for me. great!


Cap Pilot, Indy alt, Logistics alt, scout alt, Market Alt, incursion alt, ....

Gee, if only there were other aspects of EvE beyond OGB'ing that you could explore with that character...

cap pilot - not used when you are in high-sec
indy alt - alt on the same account already
logistics alt - it's too much effort for nothing really
scout - maybe, but usually i don't bring anything expensive into danger areas. doesn't worth the risk
market alt - why alt if you have main char?
incursion - boring farming

next options?


Corp theft.
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#39 - 2013-08-02 15:34:47 UTC
Seraph Castillon wrote:
This is a great day for solo and small gang PvP. About time.



Quoted fo mo'fuckin truuth!
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#40 - 2013-08-02 16:08:44 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Seraph Castillon wrote:
This is a great day for solo and small gang PvP. About time.


Actually I think its the opposite - small groups and solos are losing their equalizer.



I really don't think they are losing much. The biggest hit was to the tanking boosts (which mainly work with local reps), and ccp compensated there by giving a local rep bonus.

OGB still = god mode.

In the short term there will be fewer people with boosts because you can't share a posed ship.

People who used to share them in a pos will buy their own so we will see more booster alts, but perhaps less boosting in the short term.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815