Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You had got to be kidding. You are actually adding MORE dps to the penultimate brawling CC ..
Q: What tactic would work if going up against the Astarte in another CC?
A: None. You won't break his tank before he breaks you at ranges in excess of your points but well within his. Only hope is a neuting buddy to alpha his cap and drain him whenever he injects.

I am beginning to think/fear my jokes about Dev Gallente bias might not be jokes after all.

Funny thing: All facets of the Astarte get positive reinforcement while all others have some negatives mixed in, even goes so far as to ADD launchers to Astarte while all other gunboats are partially or completely stripped of theirs.

Bad time in Eve to be flying non-Gallente hulls.

Problem is that "identity" pigeon holes it into the blob with practically no function outside: ****-poor dps with links that can be just as easily be carried by the Absolution which can actually help kill a cruiser if the need arises .. don't expect it to go much higher than that, 10 turrets with no drones to speak of and zero fight control.

1. Halve the bonus to 5% armour per level and bump the damage to 20%/level .. will still be eminently suited as the blob anchor and ten launchers (ie. same as non-kin NH) with no application bonus will ensure it remains a second tier platform.
NB: Before you say "but Claymore!!!111" .. it has optional guns (and application bonus) whereas the brick does not, they were ruthlessly eradicated.

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2. Complete do-over and remake it in using the tiericided Prophecy as a template. Fits better anyway as Gallente/Amarr are 1st/2nd drone races and Caldari/Minmatar are 1st/2nd missile spammers.

Long story shorter: The idea was to make the field commands power in their own right, yet Damnation is handidly out damaged even by the palsy Sacrilege .. and no, that is not an invitation to reduce the Sacrilege further!

PS: In case you missed it, the Abso needs more!

Oh yes, lets nerf the only functional command ship for large fleet engagements. In return it can add a few more DPS to the tens of thousands when large fleets clash.

Get out.

I have an alt account I was considering using as a fleet booster, it is a rather long training time to ensure we had an edge in fleets, hence using an alt account, but I was going to do it. However, after reading this thread I see no point. I will not bring an expensive ship with expensive implants into a fight, on grid, only to watch it get alphaed by scrub lords assigning T1 sentry drones to another player and giggling like school girls. What is more, I don't want to be forced to fly an expensive ship with a great big target on my forehead and not have any opportunity to participate beyond starting up my links, sitting on the logi anchor or the edge of the grid and taking bets with the other wing commanders on who dies first.

Hence why people use alts parked in a tower, so they can alt tab to their main account and actually participate in the fight. Perhaps Fozzie should observe the fight in 6DVT, the CFC destroyed every hostile command ship on the field, typically alphaed them, and by controlling the moons ensured that there was no safe POS. This is the reality that your changes will bring. Who wants to fly a ship that everyone knows will be the die faster than a interdictor?

In deed, I dont care one bit about DPS. heck remove ALL turret and launchers from the tanky ones for all I care. I only have a civilian laser to get on mails as it is. since every single lowslot is tank on my damnation and mid. well prob, capbooster and.. well one free :) who cares about some damage when my job is to boost and stay alive. make the old field command ships the ganky ones, but for the hate of Michael let those of us that need to stay alive have the tools to do so! what was wrong with having a fleet and one field command ships? why this sudden need for them to be similar? seems so counter intuitive to me.

Taking off 25% from the bonus equates to losing a single 1600 plate from the 50% hull .. you'll lose in the neighborhood of 60k EHP leaving 210k+.

Do you really think that your survival increases by that much when forced onto grid in the blob to justify it being nothing but a brick in or out of the blob when no other hulls has to suffer that fate?
Problem is that even when not bricked it is outperformed by most tiericided cruisers and probably some of the bling frigs and that is neither here nor there .. sacrificing dps when bricking is one thing, but not even having the option/choice is entirely different.

Adjust the mobility and/or sig to approximate the "real" EHP of the current near stationary triple-plated if need be, just don't nerf it to a point where being a giant buffer is all it can do.

PS: How do you know that it is the only functional blob link platform when they have generally never seen action so far .. anyone can sit in a POS or at a safe. Even CCP has no clue where the chips may land when/if they get through the Gordian knot they have their resident hacker chewing on.

"that advantage is just its identity, and it's not worth changing a ship over something as superfluous as identity."

I'm just going to laugh, because I refuse to be trolled. this is just comedy, fozzie.

maybe you should list all the RP aspects of these ships that are beyond reproach.

depending on how you look at it, this could be interpreted as a mere shuffle of things to give the illusion of "new", due to any number of reasons (lack of manpower/time/ideas) -or- a slight attempt at creating new SP sinks according to player metrics we don't have access to...

basically, create new reasons for people to sub and enjoy it. those types of changes would come slowly--and they're something you would expect a for-profit company to do.

...but the idea of preserving the RP of certain ships is a motivation I have not considered. and those things should be listed along with ship stats in the OP.

because this is a troll thread, you didn't know?

I flew logistics in the Fountain war. The enemy knows every single one of our FC's, and they would try to headshot them off the field every single battle. Once we started to fly megathron fleets the only ships our FC's would use were brick tanked proteus and brick tanked damnations. These are the ships that have tank to stay on the field when two battleship fleets start pounding each other.

If you think that damnations haven't been tested on grid in massive fleet battles, you haven't been paying attention.

Yeah, in retrospect it was a bad idea, and I feel bad for it.