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Mining Barge Destroyed... What Now?

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Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#41 - 2013-08-01 20:53:13 UTC
Othran wrote:
Most of those highsec "hotspots" are tutorial systems and what you're seeing are (mainly) the losses from the combat (?) tutorial missions where you have to lose the ship.


I already accounted for that. There's high death counts in more than just the tutorial systems.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#42 - 2013-08-01 20:58:11 UTC
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Jewel Noret
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-08-01 21:46:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jewel Noret
What everyone else here seems to have missed is that you said you're mining to feed your pvp desires. And also that you're in a pvp corp. if that's truly the case, I have some recommendations.

While you have little in the way of assets, it would be a great time to move to nullsec. Once there, you have a few great options for funding your pvp:

MINING
Mining in null is generally considered much safer than high or low sec. Most sov olding alliances have dedicated areas to make isk in. Much of the time you will find there's a fleet up with boosting, which adds to your effectiveness. Local is easier to watch, and dscanning pretty much unecessary. When someone not blue enters system, warp to a safe or docks up. Safer, easier, and more lucrative than empire.

RATTING
Once again, safer and more lucrative than in high or low sec. Not quite as boring as mining, and while the experience you gain doing it doesn't directly translate to pvp, some of it does, such as the familiarity with your combat ship, transversal speeds, the mechanics, uses, and limitations of your ships modules, etc. You can rat in belts or anomalies. You have allies close by to back you up. You may even get the opportunity to tag along with plex runners if you're social.

SALVAGING
Maybe the lowest investment to get started on this one, and very profitable. You can quite effectively start out with a low cost destroyer, and in a few days time have a well fitted Noctis and spare isk in your wallet. Making 1 billion isk per week is not unheard of. Simply follow the anom runners around, as most don't bother looting or salvaging. You should just about always have all the salvage you can handle. I've known several new pilots who had more than 10b isk in their wallet by the time they were ready to start going on pvp ops, starting from less than 1 million skill points.

One of the big advantages of all of these for an aspiring pvper is that you are living and flying in null sec, along side other pvpers while earning great isk to fund your losses. Unless your copies are complete dbag snobs, you will be welcome on roams in super cheap tackling frigates while you learn and train up your skills. If you are short on funds and wanting to pvp, I really can't think of a better solution than any of the above.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#44 - 2013-08-01 21:57:07 UTC
lieutenant scumlorddd wrote:
New player here I am at my breaking point here and ready to give up on eve entirely. I started playing around three weeks ago. I have a fair understanding of the game. I have invested a lot of skill points into industry, and being able to fly a mining barge as people have stated this is a relatively safe way to earn ISK. I have dabbled around with Industry, Salvaging in null sec, Market, Secruity, etc.

So minding my own business, heading to Hek to drop off my Ore.. boom, ganked by a Thorax, nothing I could do.. No time to react..

*snip*Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal

I have invested time and resources into this ship and now I have next to nothing, back to square one in a venture. I have tried posted in the 21 day trial thread in hopes someone would create an account and I would be able to earn a plex to get back on my feet. My question is what am I to do? How can I get back on my feet? How do I avoid things like this in the future? If anyone wants to run some missions in game, or let me salvage in my venture please add me (lieutenant scumlorddd) is my in game name.

Fly safe! (safer than I did)


A couple of points:

1. You should probably mine in a place that has a station so you can drop your ore off and refine it for carrying
2. Most folks use a hauler rather than their mining boat for hauling ore or minerals to market
3. One of the other posters mentioned you were killed by a war target. Most miners take the week off or drop out of corp during a war deck if they plan to keep mining. Miners are the easiest prey for war decks in high sec. Miners tend to be semi afk at the best of times and can easily be caught and solo killed. If you plan to mine in eve be careful what corps you join. Many griefers target mining corps specifically for this reason
lieutenant scumlorddd
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-08-01 22:21:41 UTC
Jewel Noret wrote:
What everyone else here seems to have missed is that you said you're mining to feed your pvp desires. And also that you're in a pvp corp. if that's truly the case, I have some recommendations.


need a way to pay for ships i will lose
Norm Tempesta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-08-01 22:30:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Norm Tempesta
lieutenant scumlorddd wrote:
Jewel Noret wrote:
What everyone else here seems to have missed is that you said you're mining to feed your pvp desires. And also that you're in a pvp corp. if that's truly the case, I have some recommendations.


need a way to pay for ships i will lose


If you wish to pvp, mission running should be a better way to make isk as the skill paths are about the same. By the time you work your way up to lvl 4 missions, you can also rat in nullsec for isk.

Jewel Noret has made some excellent suggestions.
Jewel Noret
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-08-01 22:38:32 UTC
To the OP, you may want to scroll up. I just finished posting some info for you, but it's a few posts up as I am at work and ket getting interrupted.
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
#48 - 2013-08-02 04:42:49 UTC
lieutenant scumlorddd wrote:
Jewel Noret wrote:
What everyone else here seems to have missed is that you said you're mining to feed your pvp desires. And also that you're in a pvp corp. if that's truly the case, I have some recommendations.


need a way to pay for ships i will lose


Many people have alts that do different things - a character for mining/industry, a character for combat (missioning, PvP, etc.) and sometimes an alt dedicated to hauling.Characters in the NPC corps are safe from wardecs. It won't save them from potential suicide ganks in hi-sec (although this tread is full of good tips on that front), but it will let you go out earn some ISK in between battles in relative safety if your combat pilot is in the middle of a wardec. Or if you just like a bit of semi-mindless gameplay while working through your morning coffee.

One of the benefits of the Procurer that is sort of mentioned in the thread above is that if you are in a tanked Procurer, you are likely one of the least attractive targets in the belt. There are lots of other miners out there, most of them far easier to gank than you. It's not that you can't be ganked, but you require a lot more effort (and lost ISK) to do so. Unless someone is after you, personally, they are probably going to shoot the easier targets.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-08-02 10:51:40 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
The gankers there are also a particularly toxic bunch and will attack things of no salvage value simply because it was shiny and they can get away with it. In other words they are not so much professional pirates as "tear collectors" that hang out there.

While the rest of your post is fairly helpful, the quoted mindset isn't the best thing to be passing on to new players.

Pirates/gankers whatever you call them are regular people just like you and me. Unless you're role-playing, there really isn't any reason to spew biased remarks like that.
lieutenant scumlorddd
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-08-02 15:46:08 UTC
Jewel Noret wrote:
What everyone else here seems to have missed is that you said you're mining to feed your pvp desires. And also that you're in a pvp corp. if that's truly the case, I have some recommendations.

While you have little in the way of assets, it would be a great time to move to nullsec. Once there, you have a few great options for funding your pvp:

MINING
Mining in null is generally considered much safer than high or low sec. Most sov olding alliances have dedicated areas to make isk in. Much of the time you will find there's a fleet up with boosting, which adds to your effectiveness. Local is easier to watch, and dscanning pretty much unecessary. When someone not blue enters system, warp to a safe or docks up. Safer, easier, and more lucrative than empire.

RATTING
Once again, safer and more lucrative than in high or low sec. Not quite as boring as mining, and while the experience you gain doing it doesn't directly translate to pvp, some of it does, such as the familiarity with your combat ship, transversal speeds, the mechanics, uses, and limitations of your ships modules, etc. You can rat in belts or anomalies. You have allies close by to back you up. You may even get the opportunity to tag along with plex runners if you're social.

SALVAGING
Maybe the lowest investment to get started on this one, and very profitable. You can quite effectively start out with a low cost destroyer, and in a few days time have a well fitted Noctis and spare isk in your wallet. Making 1 billion isk per week is not unheard of. Simply follow the anom runners around, as most don't bother looting or salvaging. You should just about always have all the salvage you can handle. I've known several new pilots who had more than 10b isk in their wallet by the time they were ready to start going on pvp ops, starting from less than 1 million skill points.

One of the big advantages of all of these for an aspiring pvper is that you are living and flying in null sec, along side other pvpers while earning great isk to fund your losses. Unless your copies are complete dbag snobs, you will be welcome on roams in super cheap tackling frigates while you learn and train up your skills. If you are short on funds and wanting to pvp, I really can't think of a better solution than any of the above.


Very helpful, thank you for the insightful post. I was not aware that I could make salvaging profitable.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-08-06 23:53:08 UTC
random thought moment, with an idea
it may not prove to be a good idea
but i'm happy to throw it out there and have people comment on it.



The change in recent change to mining ships made the cargo bay largely pointless as the ore you mine goes straight to the ore-bay
a few mining crystals is all that's needed, and then only if your using T2 strip mining modules

An Ancillary Shield Booster might be a reasonable choice for the midslot
extra capacitor charges can be stored in the cargo bay, giving it a 2nd purpose

it wont really help against war-target based attacks, but it might prove to be just enough to save you in highsec against a non war-based attack at some point ..

if your piloting an industrial ship, nothing is going to save you if your a viable 'war target'
Brite
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-08-07 01:09:15 UTC
Leiutenant,

Understand how you feel right now - but actually what happened to you is why Eve is such an amazing game....the fact that death in this game actually feels like....death!

Eve is a harsh game - not like WoW where dying just pops you back somewhere close with all your equipment intact....here you die and you lose stuff and it sets you back

I hope the comments and advice from people have encouraged you....the fact that your alliance was at war makes Eve a ridiculously dangerous place for you and you had a harsh lesson....any experienced player would be tiptoeing around the hi-sec area when at war. So don't give up....get even! Remember who that thorax pilot was and get some corp buddies together and try to track them down :-)

I'll send you a lil isk to help you out
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