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The unexpected little things highsec miners dont think of.
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Laurianne Leone
Blue Canary
Watch This
#81 - 2013-08-01 12:17:38 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
OP:

And when your alt's sec status is so low he can't undock anymore, what then? Remember that biomassing alts just to get rid of sec status is a no no according to CCP...


It's quite possible to keep doing it as a -10 forever, never needing to recycle anything, just marginally inconvenient.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#82 - 2013-08-01 14:48:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Laurianne Leone wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
OP:

And when your alt's sec status is so low he can't undock anymore, what then? Remember that biomassing alts just to get rid of sec status is a no no according to CCP...


It's quite possible to keep doing it as a -10 forever, never needing to recycle anything, just marginally inconvenient.

And if you *really* must, there are those pricy-but-effective clone tags.

Mark Androcius wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all.



It is however not unfair though.
Few point to be made:

1: The Hulk is made to make isk, by mining lots of ore, it will make its money back in less than a day ( if you know what you're doing )
2: The Dessy is a ship, made to gank stuff with, it MIGHT make it's money back in a day, but it is not very likely ( you are unable do do stuff for a few minutes and you need to build a new one, after which you can only hope that wreck is still there, for you to make some money on ).

Unless you have an alt. Blink
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#83 - 2013-08-01 20:44:01 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:


What the difference between a ganker "manipulating" an already spawned concord by moving him out of grid by undocking in his Ibis from to get a better dps uptime on the next target from an alt "manipulating the already spawned condord to move it on grid in the belt?


CCP don't want an invincible fist of god guarding miners making gankin them impossible.



Frostys Virpio wrote:

How do you know I am not only an idiot trying to gank a miner in an Ibis?


When you find multiple ibis wrecks next to miners with concord all around them then you know what's going on. CCP can also pull the records and see what's being going on. Its very easy to spot.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#84 - 2013-08-01 21:59:46 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Is it wrong to want to murder people who say 'walla'?

It's voilà (voila being acceptable, for people who don't use accented characters day in day out)

Big smile Just a pet hate. Similar to that for people who could care less.

Thanks, I wondered what the heck "walla" was. I've only ever encountered it in the lyric "... ting tang walla walla bing bang."
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#85 - 2013-08-01 23:01:50 UTC
Luci Ambrye wrote:
doing the above as stated by the OP does not protect you against been ganked.




I think "preloading" Concord on grid may get you in trouble too.


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Tesco Ergo Sum
#86 - 2013-08-02 19:14:19 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
I like my Skiff, for those odd occasions I hit a grav site. Smile Not quite fit for max tank, but 70k ehp is enough to discourage most gankers. (nothing can discourage all)


Not messing with you but I get 66K EHP on a Procurer (EFT says 75K but it lies) without all skills at V.

[Procurer, Gankalyst bait]
Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Survey Scanner II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Salvage Drone I x1
Warrior II x1
Hornet EC-300 x3
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-08-02 19:30:34 UTC
Curious if a "tanky" Procurer in low sec belts would be a deterrent for ganking or does the luxury of low sec allow swarms of people just to get that Procurer?
Tesco Ergo Sum
#88 - 2013-08-02 19:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesco Ergo Sum
Guttripper wrote:
Curious if a "tanky" Procurer in low sec belts would be a deterrent for ganking or does the luxury of low sec allow swarms of people just to get that Procurer?


I only use Ventures in LowSec because you need the +2 Warp Core strength in the hull and constant refresh of dscan:

[Venture, Mining]
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Crokite Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Crokite Mining Crystal II
Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Mining Drone I x2

With nods to Ripard Teg:

http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/fit-of-week-ad-venture-ous.html
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#89 - 2013-08-02 19:47:31 UTC
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
And at that point they just kill your Scimitar alt instead.


30+k EHP orbiting at 50km at 780m/s.


Absolutely trivial to gank... Roll

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2013-08-03 02:37:09 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Curious if a "tanky" Procurer in low sec belts would be a deterrent for ganking or does the luxury of low sec allow swarms of people just to get that Procurer?


If you look way back in my lossmails, you'll see that, no, they don't give a whit about your tanky Procurer in lowsec. They have all the time in the world to kill you. One guy in a frigate with enough scram to disable your warp drive is enough. Although if I recall, I got the pleasure of a couple of tech2 ships to do mine in Big smile

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#91 - 2013-08-03 03:05:14 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Curious if a "tanky" Procurer in low sec belts would be a deterrent for ganking or does the luxury of low sec allow swarms of people just to get that Procurer?


Or a single person, really.

No CONCORD outside of HS to provide a "minimum DPS to kill."

Ur-Example

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-08-03 03:08:15 UTC
Concord does NOT prevent suicide ganks. Well fitted mining ships and an eye on local do. Arrow
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-08-03 04:56:34 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences.


How do you get punished for pulling concord away using the exact same tactic? You can even use it with the same account insetad of having to log-in a second account.


CCP confirmed during the last Hulkageddon that this is not an exploit.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#94 - 2013-08-03 06:06:19 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Guttripper wrote:
Curious if a "tanky" Procurer in low sec belts would be a deterrent for ganking or does the luxury of low sec allow swarms of people just to get that Procurer?

Or a single person, really.

No CONCORD outside of HS to provide a "minimum DPS to kill."

Ur-Example

Even a carrier can't regen shield fast enough, or have eenough EHP to fun a stealth bomber dry? Hmm, surprising.

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Dave Stark
#95 - 2013-08-03 07:40:16 UTC
during my rather lengthy time as a miner, i've never lost an exhumer.

my awesome method?
don't mine in 0.5 space in an untanked ship like a mongoloid.

you're welcome.
Indica Dominant
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2013-08-03 09:29:59 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. What? however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).


Or you could just fit a tank ...
Laurianne Leone
Blue Canary
Watch This
#97 - 2013-08-03 17:17:42 UTC
Indica Dominant wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. What? however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).


Or you could just fit a tank ...


But that's absolute madness...

Money ain't got no owners, only spenders RIP Omar Little 
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#98 - 2013-08-03 19:44:52 UTC
Laurianne Leone wrote:
Indica Dominant wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. What? however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).


Or you could just fit a tank ...


But that's absolute madness...

Step away from the shield hardener...

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-08-03 22:22:42 UTC
i love how miners are talking about blatant eula violations (recycling alts, abusing trial accounts) as if protecting yourself from suicide gankers justifies those things

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-08-03 22:39:12 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
destiny2 wrote:


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.




And then when that alt is at -.5 ad below, waste HOURS of your time getting it back up to High Sec access ability.



Or just buy a couple sec status tags. Or use an insta to get out of station past the pretend police and do your business, then let them pod you right back in, paying nothing because you're still low enough SP to live in a clone alpha. Reship to free noobship, and repeat as necessary.


Whats an insta?