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The unexpected little things highsec miners dont think of.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#21 - 2013-07-31 12:01:27 UTC
Is it wrong to want to murder people who say 'walla'?

It's voilà (voila being acceptable, for people who don't use accented characters day in day out)

Big smile Just a pet hate. Similar to that for people who could care less.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#22 - 2013-07-31 12:03:16 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
destiny2 wrote:

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).


Good job we'll be war-dec'ing you soon then... and "walla"... you won't even need that Alt to conjur up some invisible friends from CONCORD ...


War dec zomg oh no what will i do the highsec kittys are gonna show their claws cause of 1 post LOL!.
you just made my day Big smile
Lynxwire
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-07-31 12:07:50 UTC
This sounds like too much work
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#24 - 2013-07-31 12:09:31 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Is it wrong to want to murder people who say 'walla'?

It's voilà (voila being acceptable, for people who don't use accented characters day in day out)

Big smile Just a pet hate. Similar to that for people who could care less.


murdering people in low and null is usually more fun. :).
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-07-31 12:10:12 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I have a simpler solution, fit a damn tank...


When dealing with miners using logic is a waste of time, you are dealing with people who think losing 200M in ships to make 50M is good idea.

Unless you come up with some crackpot theory where they can mine in a paper hulk they will not listen, and when it fail miserably they run to the forums *****, whine and scream for everything to get nerfed.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2013-07-31 12:13:53 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Is it wrong to want to murder people who say 'walla'?
…and that's probably one of the smallest problems with the OP's post. Lol


Oh, and no, manipulating CONCORD — be it by pre-spawning or by moving them off-grid — is not against the rules. Both sides are allowed to use it to their hearts' content.
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-07-31 12:14:33 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. What? however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).

lmao this is so funny.

So you are saying use an alt to get concord into your belt, and you are telling every miner to do so.

Do you realize concord will warp away from your mining ship the next time some miner in the same system shoots his ship with a noob ship. You miners will be fighting over concord more than mining. This is laughable.


Why not teach them now to tank their ships so it takes more than one dessy to kill their mining ship? Hulks are WAY too easy to gank. I don't know why people still use Hulks these days. Use tanked Macks! The only situation I can see a Hulk being of any use is when you have 8 or more accounts. Otherwise it's better to have another miner in a Mack over an orca hauling for just a few hulks.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2013-07-31 12:15:13 UTC
dexington wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I have a simpler solution, fit a damn tank...


When dealing with miners using logic is a waste of time, you are dealing with people who think losing 200M in ships to make 50M is good idea.

Unless you come up with some crackpot theory where they can mine in a paper hulk they will not listen, and when it fail miserably they run to the forums *****, whine and scream for everything to get nerfed.

The miner rehabilitation program has a 99% failure rate, the people that pass actually fit a tank, and mine at the keyboard.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#29 - 2013-07-31 12:17:55 UTC
I like my Skiff, for those odd occasions I hit a grav site. Smile Not quite fit for max tank, but 70k ehp is enough to discourage most gankers. (nothing can discourage all)

Woo! CSM XI!

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#30 - 2013-07-31 12:19:18 UTC
Lexar Mundi wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
So we all know the story of suicide gankers in their little high dps destroyers right? yes of course you do.
Yes looseing a 200 mill isk hulk to a 5 mill dessy isnt fun at all. What? however their are ways to work around this to make it more painful for suicide gankers.


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.

Walla free concord in your belt your mining in.

Suicide gankers wont try and gank ya if concord is sitting there watching you mine. Unless they use smartbombs but then again that brings more concord in :).

OH well concord decided to leave my belt. oh okay, they left bring said alt in a rookie ship again and do it again so they come back.


ending result less people complaining about suicide gankers :).

lmao this is so funny.

So you are saying use an alt to get concord into your belt, and you are telling every miner to do so.

Do you realize concord will warp away from your mining ship the next time some miner in the same system shoots his ship with a noob ship. You miners will be fighting over concord more than mining. This is laughable.


Why not teach them now to tank their ships so it takes more than one dessy to kill their mining ship? Hulks are WAY too easy to gank. I don't know why people still use Hulks these days. Use tanked Macks! The only situation I can see a Hulk being of any use is when you have 8 or more accounts. Otherwise it's better to have another miner in a Mack over an orca hauling for just a few hulks.



70% of the miners dont even read the forums. lol. so thats 70% who like looseing ships lol.
Isaak Artorius
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-07-31 12:19:45 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences.


Similarly - pre-pulling by creating a distraction for Concord to respond in a system nearby isn't?

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Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-07-31 12:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexar Mundi
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
dexington wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I have a simpler solution, fit a damn tank...


When dealing with miners using logic is a waste of time, you are dealing with people who think losing 200M in ships to make 50M is good idea.

Unless you come up with some crackpot theory where they can mine in a paper hulk they will not listen, and when it fail miserably they run to the forums *****, whine and scream for everything to get nerfed.

The miner rehabilitation program has a 99% failure rate, the people that pass actually fit a tank, and mine at the keyboard.

and the .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% that learn how to fit a tank learn how to PvP

~Edit~
Ok I lied... add a lot more 0s to that %
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#33 - 2013-07-31 12:24:02 UTC
I'm sure if ccp sees another thread about miners complaining theyd just spawn Incursions everywhere, and make people fight for what they want to do Shocked
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#34 - 2013-07-31 12:25:38 UTC
Isaak Artorius wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences.


Similarly - pre-pulling by creating a distraction for Concord to respond in a system nearby isn't?

Nope.

Oh god.
Whitehound
#35 - 2013-07-31 12:28:44 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences.

Considering that these are all players with different characters do you need to distinguish between miners and gankers more strictly.

A miner who "summons" CONCORD into a belt has committed an offence like any other ganker and has become a ganker, too, if only for a short time.

A ganker then might switch into a mining ship after he ganked a competing miner and only to gloat.

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Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-07-31 12:35:44 UTC
How to make ganker's job even more annoying? Well...

Put your alt into this:

[Scimitar, healer]

Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x2

And use this for mining:

[Skiff, tank]

Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5


Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-07-31 12:36:28 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
It's kind of weird that suicide gankers get punished for avoiding the consequences of a gank, while miners are allowed to exploit game mechanics to protect themselves from the same consequences.

Considering that these are all players with different characters do you need to distinguish between miners and gankers more strictly.

A miner who "summons" CONCORD into a belt has committed an offence like any other ganker and has become a ganker, too, if only for a short time.

A ganker then might switch into a mining ship after he ganked a competing miner and only to gloat.


Well I mean if you think about it...

Miners warp to the belt to shoot stuff with lasers
Gankers warp to the belt to shoot stuff with blasters

Miners look for good mining locations
Gankers look for good miner's locations

Miners leave wrecks at a belt (NPCs)
Gankers leave wrecks at a belt (Player's)


Shocked Miners and Gankers ARE alike OMG lmao jk
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#38 - 2013-07-31 12:43:30 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
How to make ganker's job even more annoying? Well...

Put your alt into this:

[Scimitar, healer]

Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x2

And use this for mining:

[Skiff, tank]

Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5


Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603


I use Hulks + Orca + 2 Basillisks usually lol.
Sakaron Hefdover
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-07-31 13:11:22 UTC
How?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#40 - 2013-07-31 13:21:21 UTC
destiny2 wrote:


make a alt. with a sub works better to fly to the belt your mining in. in a rookie ship get it to shoot your exhummer.




And then when that alt is at -.5 ad below, waste HOURS of your time getting it back up to High Sec access ability.

Delete the alt and cycle a new one a few times and the EULA is violated.

The idea is terrible and not helpful at all.

Maybe just don't mine AFK ?? hmmm ????

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