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Underrated yet effective frigs. What are your favorites?
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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#1 - 2013-07-30 22:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
Ok I"m bored at work and need to start a flaming thread :)

What are in your opinion the most underrated frigs (T1) now that they have been rebalanced? Can also put T2 in there is you want but some of them still have to undergo rebalance.

Mine are the rifter and punisher (no surprise there for anyone who has read my post)

The rifter is still king of versitility for me and can be fit to counter most if not all the other T1 frigs. It is a true jack of all trades, master of none. If it come up against another ship fit to do the same it will lose 9/10 times. Now more than ever before I feel the rifter rewards the better pilot in both combat tactics once engaged but also picking the right fight.

The Punisher will ALWAYS be a favourite of mine. It was the first 'combat' ship I flew in 2003 and still keep going back to them today. A lot of people hate on them because of the 2 mid slots etc but I just think it give them more character, also I often don't even fit a scram (cos its only a punisher after all), and you'd be surprised how many people don't even notice. It is a tanky little beast and can put out some excellent damage (scorch FTW - 122 DPS at 10km cold! or 171dps at 3km with conflag cold) and if you forego the scram and stick a web on there you have decent range control ability, or at least not get completely controlled by a faster ship.
A lot of people cite tracking as the big issue with these but I generally fit 2 metastasis rigs and never had anything get 'under my guns' when flying them. Picking the wrong ammo however is a mistake I seem to constantly make though Roll

So what are your underrated frigs that you enjoy flying effectively?

Oh and for reference just to show how bad I am my stats with these are:

Rifter K/D 58(32)/58(38) solo in brackets
Punisher 33(14)/24(14)

Not all time but over the last 18 months or so. I probably would have higher numbers if I stopped fluffing around in any and every ship I fancy on a whim Shocked

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Balance is everything.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#2 - 2013-07-30 22:56:48 UTC
Rifter
SAR fit
AB, Web, Scram

Secret sauce is HG Halo set.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#3 - 2013-07-31 01:03:25 UTC
Im with you mate. If I fly out in a frig it will be 99 times out of 100 in a punisher or one of its t2 variants

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Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#4 - 2013-07-31 01:53:19 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
Im with you mate. If I fly out in a frig it will be 99 times out of 100 in a punisher or one of its t2 variants


Vengeance is the best frig in the game - I dare anyone to disprove this known secret fact of the winds.

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#5 - 2013-07-31 03:09:06 UTC
My laser Imicus is wonderfully underrated. I have yet to actually peel it off EFT though and fit it up in-game.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#6 - 2013-07-31 04:05:47 UTC
I sort of wonder the opposite. Why do so many people fly atrons and slashers in pvp? Is the 400k isk you save worth losing 9xs out of 10?

I am not sure you would get more fights either since so many of these ships are just fw pilots that warp away, I (and probably other pvpers) don't even bother warping to them half the time.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#7 - 2013-07-31 04:34:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
The Helios:

Helios vs Taranis
Helios vs Slicer
Helios vs Dramiel
Helios vs Auto Wolf
Helios vs Arty Wolf
Helios vs Jaguar
Helios vs Harpy
Helios vs Thrasher
Helios vs Sabre
Helios vs Sabre

[Helios, Battle Helios]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
1MN Afterburner II

150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I


Hobgoblin II x1

Note: Against some ships, you need 2x web instead of 2x track, so you can hold them at 8 km's and blap them into oblivion with an overwhelming 140 dps!
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-07-31 06:22:19 UTC
The heron.

That many mid-slots mean a web-scram-td-mse and ab. Kinda like a hookbil midslot layout.

meaning you can sit at 7k taking very little damage and disengage at will.

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William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#9 - 2013-07-31 06:26:45 UTC
Sentinels. Totally underrated.

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Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#10 - 2013-07-31 08:51:52 UTC
The ares, it's in the shadow of it's brothers as far as dps goes, but it's a mean kiter with the point range bonus.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-07-31 12:31:01 UTC
William Walker wrote:
Sentinels. Totally underrated.


Noone thinks sentinels are bad..

Sentinels are ******* assholes.


I think the Breacher is a bit underrated, i generally get 6:1 or higher with it.

The comet i feel is actually a bit underrated even though people think its good. People don't seem to realize that it can roll over just about any other frigate in the game, rocket AF's excluded. My record in one was 1:19 and that included 2 3v1's and one 4v1 as well as multiple AF's and faction frigs.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-07-31 12:32:25 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
The Helios:

Helios vs Taranis
Helios vs Slicer
Helios vs Dramiel
Helios vs Auto Wolf
Helios vs Arty Wolf
Helios vs Jaguar
Helios vs Harpy
Helios vs Thrasher
Helios vs Sabre
Helios vs Sabre

[Helios, Battle Helios]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
1MN Afterburner II

150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I


Hobgoblin II x1

Note: Against some ships, you need 2x web instead of 2x track, so you can hold them at 8 km's and blap them into oblivion with an overwhelming 140 dps!



I did this once, its quite fun right up to the moment when a ******* incursus realises he can just kill your drones and then permatank you =<

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Maximillian German
Task Force Coalition
#13 - 2013-07-31 14:11:31 UTC
not true, those guns on the comet are still nasty
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#14 - 2013-07-31 14:22:32 UTC
Flying a Comet does bring many fights. I've had several nice 2v1s in my rail/AB/scram/web comet and it simply demolished the competition. It also stomps dual web Hookbills.

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Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#15 - 2013-07-31 15:41:45 UTC
Cearain wrote:
I sort of wonder the opposite. Why do so many people fly atrons and slashers in pvp? Is the 400k isk you save worth losing 9xs out of 10?

I am not sure you would get more fights either since so many of these ships are just fw pilots that warp away, I (and probably other pvpers) don't even bother warping to them half the time.


Slashers and Atrons are both very Viable actually when fitted and flown correctly.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-07-31 15:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Rifter and Punisher are hardly underrated.

My choice for the most underrated pvp frigate would be the Heron - lots of CPU, lots of mid slots, huge drone bay, ... really just put a MAPC in the 2nd low and it can be anything you want it to be.

Metastasis rigs are a bad idea imho. Many enemies don't have tracking disruptors at all and even a single tracking disruptor should not really cause you problems (use approach or keep at range, don't use t2 ammo) - giving up rig slots on the off chance of encountering an enemy that can tracking disrupt you effectively is a waste. If you are worried carry some Drop around with you.

edit: I just see that Stalking Mantis, already beat me to it. +1 to his post.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#17 - 2013-07-31 16:19:06 UTC
Punishers are great if you are not in a solo fight. If you are in a solo fight the lack of mids is a problem. The tracking rigs and drop might help this. If you ab fit then you will be easy to kite if you mwd fit then reducing transversal will likely be impossible.

TBH they really didn't need the resistance nerf from 5 to 4%.

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JonnyRandom
#18 - 2013-07-31 17:12:11 UTC
Quote:
so you can hold them at 8 km's and blap them into oblivion with an overwhelming 140 dps!


I don't know how you get 140dps. Even with all lvl 5 skills and overheated guns, the dps comes up to 111.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2013-07-31 17:45:29 UTC
Maximillian German wrote:
not true, those guns on the comet are still nasty


Whats not true?

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#20 - 2013-07-31 18:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
JonnyRandom wrote:
Quote:
so you can hold them at 8 km's and blap them into oblivion with an overwhelming 140 dps!


I don't know how you get 140dps. Even with all lvl 5 skills and overheated guns, the dps comes up to 111.


You need to include the drone DPS. The Helios gets a 50% bonus to drone thermal damage, so the single hobgoblin delivers the extra 29 dps. Without heat, you deal 124 dps when including the drone.
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