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Going Deeper.....

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Jonnie Concrete
You're Doing It Wrong
#1 - 2013-07-30 19:00:10 UTC
Hi all,

Currently live in C3 with a low sec static - just me and my alts. Yeh unsociable but I like it....

I fancy getting a bit more unsociable though.

I'm thinking of relocating somewhere deeper into WH ie C4/C5/C6.

My chars can fly - carriers / dreads / all T3s / all BSs / Orca etc....basically everything.

Assuming a complete disregard for human contact etc, whats the furthest I can push WH space with just 2 characters and a POS.

I've seen jewtube vids of some guy soloing C5 sites in a Vargur, is a move for 2 accounts to a C4/C5 viable?

I await your learned replies.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-07-30 19:35:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Gnaw LF
C4 with a static C4 for the maximum unsociable score, I mean that is so deep in bum **** nowhere that you will rarely have any visitors, even K-space wormholes avoid going into the ghetto that is c4 space.


P.S. On a more serious note, I would avoid solo living in c5/c6 space. Too many things to keep track of that can possibly go wrong, too many people willing to keep eyes on you until you decide to collapse all incoming and outgoing connections. With other players and your capital ships you can pull it off but just by yourself it will be difficult. Maybe go to c4, build yourself a carrier and do the sleeper sites with a BS/Carrier combo, Kronos / Archon will work wonders since the sites can't be escalated.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#3 - 2013-07-30 19:37:55 UTC
and make sure it's a black hole. I mean if you are going full r tard on this make sure it is as abysmal as possible Cool

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-30 20:36:36 UTC
You can do any wormhole solo!

C5/C6 increase the possibility of getting evicted and ganked. Surviving here is a matter of teamwork.

C4s is probably your best bet. Since you can run the sites "solo." Even though there are many who can capital escalate "solo."

However, it might be hard to find stuff to do because C4 space doesn't link very well to other w-space systems or K-space.

I would choose a system effect that is non-neutral. IE: Shield or Armour.

I don't really know what you want to achieve in w-space so i just threw some random sperg out.

The Guns of Knowledge 

Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#5 - 2013-07-30 23:44:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Q 5
You'll find you might be talking to your alts like if they were other people and answering for them.
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-07-31 01:30:08 UTC
you will have to act fast because there is a turf war going on for Highclass > Lowclass wormholes...

Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-07-31 01:47:15 UTC
BTDT and would recommend sticking with a decent C3. IMHO it is the best return on time and effort for solo / semi-solo w-space PvE, and provides decent access to empire space if you need to get there for something else.

C4 sites are not too difficult to solo and it's also do-able in C5s (not the capital escalations of course). In C5 the ladar sites also start taking a significant upwards step in value. The thing is, however, that with your small numbers it becomes disproportionately slow to complete the sites, so your isk-per-whatever ends up being less.

I never tried capital escalations in the C5 that I lived in for a while.

The logistics effort for C4 / C5 / C6 is also proportionately more complex, you are pretty well always hopping out to empire space via a C2 or C1 at best (altho I keep hearing rumours of a roaming hisec-C4 WH) .

Of course, if you're wanting to go deeper for other reasons, then it is entirely achievable and I'd suggest doing it stepwise ... C4 first and then, if you're up to that, finding a C5.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-07-31 01:48:24 UTC
Q 5 wrote:
You find might find yourself talking to to your alts like if they were other people.


Lol, absolutely. It an be very much a hermit's life and gets kinda weird when you end up building alter-egos to keep yourself company :-)

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#9 - 2013-07-31 03:32:25 UTC
Q 5 wrote:
You find might find yourself talking to to your alts like if they were other people.


How can you stutter in a chat window is beyond me..

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Jonnie Concrete
You're Doing It Wrong
#10 - 2013-07-31 07:26:28 UTC
Thank you kindly for your advise everyone.

I've decided to take up residence in a C4 with a C5 static. The system has a Cataclysmic, so I intend to run C4s with 2 x RR Sentry Domis. Thoughts?

Also forgive my ignorance but....

Is it possible to create Fuel Blocks in isolation within a C4? Using PI I think? Is there a guide to this since the POS fuel blocks were introduced?

Also here's another fun one, wtf is a Roqual used for, specifically in the context of living independently in WH-S?

Thanks.
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#11 - 2013-07-31 07:27:30 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Q 5 wrote:
You find might find yourself talking to to your alts like if they were other people.


How can you stutter in a chat window is beyond me..


Easy like, like this.
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers
#12 - 2013-07-31 08:13:22 UTC
Jonnie Concrete wrote:
Is it possible to create Fuel Blocks in isolation within a C4? Using PI I think? Is there a guide to this since the POS fuel blocks were introduced?

No ice in WHs, so no.

Jonnie Concrete wrote:
Also here's another fun one, wtf is a Roqual used for, specifically in the context of living independently in WH-S?

Salvaging while a site is still being run. Mining boosts, compression of ore after mining.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#13 - 2013-07-31 08:35:49 UTC
I would advise against this route.

You have a 3B static that you have to collapse with subcapitals by yourself using Orcas and Battleships.

major pain in the arse, will take a long time, people will see you do it.. kill your orca..

etc.

stick to c4 -c3, or c4-c4
Jonnie Concrete
You're Doing It Wrong
#14 - 2013-07-31 10:07:45 UTC
Sorry I don't understand. Why would a c4 c5 be different in this respect?
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#15 - 2013-07-31 11:00:06 UTC
Jonnie Concrete wrote:
Sorry I don't understand. Why would a c4 c5 be different in this respect?

Let's put it this way: putting an orca through a c4-c5 connection with the intent of collapse is like throwing a hotdog down a hallway.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Jonnie Concrete
You're Doing It Wrong
#16 - 2013-07-31 14:17:38 UTC
wait, are we talking the difference between a 2bkg static and a 3bkg static?
Scoto Timta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-07-31 14:21:46 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
Jonnie Concrete wrote:
Sorry I don't understand. Why would a c4 c5 be different in this respect?

Let's put it this way: putting an orca through a c4-c5 connection with the intent of collapse is like throwing a hotdog down a hallway.

...Filled with starving rabid dogs. Big smile

The point is, if you went to say a C4-C3 hole, your static would be a 2 bill mass total, requiring only about 8 Orca passes (4 round trips), and any residents of the C3 would tend to be slightly more hesitant to jump you. After all, you are from one of those "scary" C4s.
Having a C5 static means that you need 4 more Orca passes (2 roundtrips), which takes longer, giving the residents of said C5 more time to react. And, they are more likely to see you as a target rather than a threat, since you are coming from one of those "wimpy" c4s.
It's just general psychological tendencies. Obviously not universal, but there is a natural tendency to view residents from a Cx as more or less dangerous, depending on the value of x relative to me.
Cheesy Feet
The Hells Bells Club
#18 - 2013-07-31 15:15:45 UTC
Q 5 wrote:
You find might find yourself talking to to your alts like if they were other people.


This isn't a problem until they start answering back and won't do as they're told; then you know you've been in there too long Roll
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-07-31 15:48:53 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:


The logistics effort for C4 / C5 / C6 is also proportionately more complex, you are pretty well always hopping out to empire space via a C2 or C1 at best (altho I keep hearing rumours of a roaming hisec-C4 WH) .
.



Where are you getting this info? C5s/C6s have plenty of k-space connections, including high sec and low sec exits. Plus the fact that you can move a freighter through those connection makes logisitcs of c5s/c6s so much easier then of the lower class w-space.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#20 - 2013-08-01 08:11:01 UTC
C4s are quite good, they seem to be below the radar. Living in a C4/C3 and it's very calm. Planets are ok, keeps the POS alive. And yeah, it's a black hole. No one bothers to come and farm sites but the most deperate ones.

C4/C4 bh will be as far as you can get away from people in Eve. Is it still on the same server? Expect to die of horror by looking too long at the black hole, it starts looking back at you.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.

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