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Beg pardon, not realise it was you raging in quoted post. Window fit to text, not show forum avatars etc. Post sound like whiteboy billybob anti-black vitriol, very much soso like text of ganked bio. Except bio text more like written by caveman before invention of education. TL;DR version: thought you caucasian KayKay-type racist.

Starkiller no hate Native Americans. Wes Studi awesome in Mystery Men.
You got big bone to grind, mate. But you off target with this tangent, for sure. On lookout for more, no limits to ethnic horizon. Pvp has no colour, see? I see any bio babble crap about scalping and Tonto, I gank that Joker in the jambags too, locked.
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Lots of things you note from my observation that your previous post contains a lot of they which is an infication of someone using stereotypes.

Re the points you think you observed. Matter... Well, you know, there's an Ocean between the two of us. I mean literally an Ocean, the atlantic one. So "matter"... Can ever be quite indirect only. To say that coz we ain't gonna make it perfect any aspiration to it is wrong or even evil as you will leave some things bad solves nothing.

I'm saying that you try rather hard to misunderstand other people and guess you know it.

You ask me whether Native American matter to me. the key is the word matter. How much do Tibetians, Syrians, Somalians and all else that suffer matter to you? they do less than my daily issues with my kids tbh, and I'm not gonna hypocrise here.
They concern or cause me to sympathize if my understanding of the english language is somehow correct.

If only the worst of plights get your sympathy. Mine is to all who suffer. but sympathy and matter... I'm not a native english speaker, matter is in my understanding something that is immediate. to be immediate it needs to be so.

How old are you, Xavier? I just need a point of reference of your life experience, as that statement shows you're pretty young.

And you missed the point completely if you don't even understand history and the Jim Crow laws.

Judge Ginsburg was quite right, that if the system in place now was reverted the old behaviors would return again...and did, as soon as the DoJ relaxed enforcement. It's not even 50 years since the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and the old ways are returning via laws again.

And the voter registration rules did adversely affect any race than white voting in the South...why the Jim Crow laws were enacted in the first place. The main race it singled out was Blacks (as any other race was nominal in the South until after WWII).

It doesn't need to be aversive to 1 or 10 groups to be detrimental -- that it DOES discriminate -- is the problem.

I'm 26, and Voter ID laws are not the same as Jim Crow laws. Jim Crow laws were just racist laws, plain and simple. The Voter ID laws enacted recently do nothing but require proof of your identity from ALL voters. But it targets the poor, you say. Well no, since those on welfare can present their benefit cards(which generally have a photo) as ID. But the law says they can't do that! Well that makes sense, the photos are generally black and white, and of terrible quality. But that's ok, that benefit card can be presented at the DMV as proof to get state issued photo ID. But how are they gonna get there? Well, Ace, DMV offices are almost always in city centers, with easy access through public transportation. But it costs money! Not much, 50 dollars every 10 years or so, which is a minuscule cost. It equates to a whopping 5 dollars a year. So tell me again how these laws are so evil? The only people unable to get photo ID are those that owe fines and illegal aliens. Since illegal aliens aren't supposed to be voting, it's only those that owe fines that can't get photo ID if they don't already have it.

Dear Mum,

Picked up the Fish Serum from Buddy
Dropped it off with the new Contact at the Oasis.
And it seems to work pretty good,
but I had a bad reaction...

You've got to be kidding. Were you born before 1924? That was the year the US government granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in the US, or on any reservations inside US territory. They weren't allowed to vote until 1957 though. And Inuits ARE Native American, so I don't know what you're getting at there. Their culture is as much under attack as the Haudenosaunee culture. Their land is as much at risk as ours. Their very survival is as questionable as ours. And claiming to have some ancestor that was some ethnicity is meaningless. What makes a person Native American is their ties to the culture. I don't know what you're insinuating. It appears you're trying to marginalize Native Americans. First you're trying to negate the argument of unfair treatment by saying we aren't citizens, which I assure you we are. Then you attempt to dilute the importance of being Native American by saying anybody can claim to be so. And third, you're implying that I'm excluding some Native Americans, when I'm only using the term because it allows me to talk about a vast number of diverse groups without having to type each individual tribe's name. So what is the point in this post? And thank you for not comparing us to some WoW character.

Edit: And the fact that you call us Reservation Native Americans is rather insulting. Does it make me less human, less deserving of equality because I was born on a reservation?

Right there shows the epic failure of the US educational system.

You don't even know what the Jim Crow laws were; why they existed; how it helped to segregate; and it's effects, yet want to define what is or isn't discrimination, as a 26 year-old lad who was born long after segregation even.

You don't even know the history.

I lived through the tail end of segregation (my siblings actually lived in it) and still remember the pickets at schools during the forced busing to desegregate the schools (those long 45min bus rides every day to goto school).

It was a social experiment like Dr. Livingston in Africa, and it showed how ugly segregation was. The black kids, many who were so poor, the mothers used bacon grease for their kids hair (how was momma going to afford hair dressing? She made 30 cents an hour house cleaning IF she could get a job, and welfare penalized having fathers in the household so forget a second income [which in turn ruined black communities]). That interacting with white people (or even Asians) was like they're from another planet. Had all those black girls wanting to braid my hair, because it's the first time they ever touched or worked with straight hair. They were that isolated from the community itself. Just 10 years before then, they couldn't even walk on sidewalks, a privilege even dogs had.

Do you even understand those things? Or do you take what we went through all for granted?

You missed the point by a long shot. It's not Black, white, yellow or red. It's about humans being treated as equals, as color is only skin deep.

The Jim Crow laws made institutional racism a possibility. Not even 50 years later has the damage caused by it been recovered from, as society is much slower to reform -- and it sure doesn't help when the next generation is as deaf, dumb and blind to repeat the same ugly history again.

Did you expect me to go into detail about the Jim Crow laws? Ok, I will. They were laws enacted between the late 1800s(around 1890 some time) and some time in the 1960s. They were heralded as a way to preserve both white and black cultures by providing separate but equal facilities for black Americans. In reality, these facilities were almost always inferior. These laws were, in reality, legislated oppression. They were an attempt to force black Americans to live in subpar conditions, therefore bringing to light the "superiority" of white Americans. They were all state and local laws, and they varied by region. They included, but were not limited to, the segregation of public facilities(like restrooms and water fountains), public transportation(buses and trains), public places like parks, performance venues(theaters and concert halls), schools and even work places. I don't see why you needed me to go into so much detail. And I don't understand why someone who says they lived through such oppression would be so willing to allow that oppression to happen again. Or is it not oppression if it only happens to Native Americans? I just don't see why it's wrong when it happens to black Americans, but it's ok when it happens to Native Americans.

@ Xavier Higdon, I wouldn't bother with Ace, the person behind the avatar has an extremely high opinion of herself, and an ego to match. Thankfully they're buggering back off to WoW soon and the forums will be a nicer place because of it.