EVE General Discussion

and that means that you lack context like Feyd did. When I went to null for the 1st time in 2008, a 600 character fleet engagement in Outer Ring caused most of us to black screen and disconnect. A fight later on up north that same week that I wasn't in and that wasn't much bigger caused CCP to have to reboot EVE.

What you did in low sec this year would not have been POSSIBLE in 2008.

As for CCP's advertising, how is that different from what every other advertiser does? Did you ever see a real life McDonald's hamburger that look anything like the picture on TV?

Yes, in context, the system not only works well, it's awesome. You could not get back in to that low sec fight, a couple years earlier that low sec fight wouldn't have happened at all.

That human nature the dev team not wanting to change the foundation of their game. You are right that it is not possible under current incarnations of the current game, but the human nature of laziness trumps the technological advances.... unless you want to insist that a single thread setup is more ideal than a multi... you can decide that one.

The problem I think that people argue about is you have a stadium advertising that they can seat "everyone" for a concert and so "everyone" lines up, buys a ticket, but can't sit down because of the limited seating.

So now you have "everyone" inside, jam packed, can't move but an inch at a time, and you have the people who are sitting up front thinking everything is a-ok because "everyone" got inside, even though they can't sit down and be comfortable which is what the stadium is designed to do.

Regardless of if TiDi is good or better or well, it still is not ideal (which noone has yet to confirm it is yet) but since it's a lesser of 2 evils, people think it's a slice of heaven. Maybe in comparison, but not by definition.

You have a game thats advertised as hosting these huge fights, CCP scrambling to make it happen with proper planning needed etc (sandbox ftw? /sarcasm) you have other systems not related to the fight be effected, and the crowning glory is that it was "possible".

TiDi is server triage, not a function you want to depend on.

What I don't get is how people use the argument "once this cap is met they will push this cap" when you advertise a single shard server, you should assume the worst by having everyone in a single system at once.

If that cannot be met, you will always find inherent design flaws.

200, 2000, or twenty thousand people... if you want to advertise it's possible, then it should be possible... or you need to scrub the project and start over.

Of course not. Why should they? All they can do (and are doing) is enable and support that nature.

No, it really isn't. It's merely designed to hold as many people as it can. People are complaining that they are confusing “holding as many as it can” with “it holds everyone”, in spite of the fact that nothing of the kind has ever been claimed. Everyone else is marvelling at how “as many as it can” keeps increasing and offering bigger and bigger crowds.

TiDi is ideal for what it's supposed to do: degrade the system gracefully when overloaded, to the point where the game keeps running rather than lagging out and crashing. It's not the lesser of two evils, but rather the good option out of one good and several bad ones.

Meanwhile, we have a game that's advertised as hosting huge fights, and which allows us to have them. Occasionally, these huge fights expand into gignormous fights, which push the envelope of what even this much-improved system can handle. Just because it struggles with those fights (a fact that is amply highlighted in the reporting) doesn't mean that the huge ones aren't happening, and that they can happen without any planning being needed.

Basically, it's all a ridiculous strawman based on a reverse black-swan/false generalisation fallacy, and the only thing that's more silly and ignorant than that is the nonsensical claim that TiDi somehow make the game turn-based or that it creates lag, when it actually does the exact opposite.

They are assuming the worst. That's why they have given us TiDi. And no, “single shard server” does not mean that everyone will pile into a single system at once, nor does it in any way imply that they can. It just means that once it's full, there's no more room. No other shards to go to. No instances to duplicate the same space.

People are using that argument because it's true, and because it trivially blows the “just build it bigger” argument for pointlessly wasting resources out of the water.

If the server keeps running with 4000 characters in a one system free-for-all that is better than any (graphically rendered) MMO that I have ever played or heard of.

.....and I have been playing MMOs since UO.

That being said whether or not preformance takes a hit or not, there are moments like jumping into 3WE- knowing there were four maxed out fleets on field three of them were hostile with NO frigging cap that keep me coming back.

That **** is exciting.

In fact in Z9PP watching local double in about a minute and a half when we were sitting there 2000 deep to start with was pretty damn exciting.....if a bit slow.

The next time the CFC shows up with 2400 people and more in reserve, you should just not jump in. Anyone wanting to contest timers against the CFC would do well to remember this.

That's **** poor planning to say everyone is one big single place then not allow the population to live there. The next thing would encourage microtransactions to be allowed to dock in certain stations as once people keep pushing the limits (jita?) you will simply have to find a way to accomodate the influx of pilots in one system before your entire system becomes flawed to the point of destruction.

Why bother having a trade hub that only a portion of people can trade from?

It's not difficult, just read everyone's defensive posting about "single shard" and "devs wont do all the work; will take too long". You'll start to realize how much of an excuse it looks like since unless they are Devs themselves, they don't really know.

This isn't to say alot of people are not grateful of their work, but people are allowed a certain level of expectation once they spend money on a service.

No matter how "appalled" you can get, once you start making excuses, you are only lying to yourself and shortchanging yourself.

When you start looking at facts and if you find them inconvenient you call them "excuses" you've already lost all credibility... and the argument.

Time for you to run along.

Server cap limits when trying to enter a system.