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Rookie wants to know: Are all war-decs this boring? Or are D3vil's Childr3n just bad at it?
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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-07-30 23:46:48 UTC
Mars Starforge wrote:
IT PLACES THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN


You've just given your main away. Thanks for that. Lol
Askalor
New Eden Corporation 98321417
#42 - 2013-07-31 06:45:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Askalor
Karrin Rawlter wrote:
We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.



Hello from the bad solo guy in the "BC".
Look i don't care why devils wardecs anyone. all i care for is to kill some poor smugs and make em buy more of the market.. thus serving the solitude ppl.

so be my guest and try some more fleets like the one just now. i am more then happy to make your day miserable.Twisted

oh for you information, i wasn't in a BC. And we can try some smaller stuff if you like
Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-07-31 08:02:13 UTC
Zurin Arctus wrote:
Karrin Rawlter wrote:
We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.


Welcome to EVE! When high sec wars happen between actual political opponents, things can get interesting, but when high-sec "mercs" or wardec extortionists become involved, yes - the whole thing revolves around ganking mining barges and station camping in Vindicators.


It's hard to say that's true when the ones refusing to fight aren't the "extortionists."
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#44 - 2013-07-31 08:11:31 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
High sec wars are like finding out the super hot girl next door only does the missionary position. Sure its still sex, but really...whats the point?


Doesn't matter. Had sex.

It does matter! IT'S ALL THE MATTER!

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Fagor Wozjeck
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-07-31 08:53:55 UTC
You could of course instawin the war ala James315 by closing the corp and immediatly forming it again. Blink The deccers will be out 50mill which is probably more than you have lost in tech1 frigs.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#46 - 2013-07-31 10:27:17 UTC
It's true high sec pvp is boring and dishonourable, that's why CCP are gradually removing it, in a drive to bring more fun to the game.
Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-07-31 10:34:20 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
It's true high sec pvp is boring and dishonourable, that's why CCP are gradually removing it, in a drive to bring more fun to the game.

Yes because the game is well known for it's honorablity.

Scams - Honorable
Infiltrating Corps and destroying friendships - Honorable
Suicide ganking people with 10 plex in cargo- Honorable.
Tricking your own corp to get a 370 bil Super Carrier blown up- Honorable.

What freaking dreamland of meth are you in where the major selling points of this game is honrable? Nothing in this game is ever done with Honor. Don't be naive and even more important, Don't be stupid.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#48 - 2013-07-31 14:00:59 UTC
Isaac Collins wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
It's true high sec pvp is boring and dishonourable, that's why CCP are gradually removing it, in a drive to bring more fun to the game.

Yes because the game is well known for it's honorablity.

Scams - Honorable
Infiltrating Corps and destroying friendships - Honorable
Suicide ganking people with 10 plex in cargo- Honorable.
Tricking your own corp to get a 370 bil Super Carrier blown up- Honorable.

What freaking dreamland of meth are you in where the major selling points of this game is honrable? Nothing in this game is ever done with Honor. Don't be naive and even more important, Don't be stupid.


You are playing this game wrongly and its confirmed the next expansion is "EVE - Space Bushido"

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#49 - 2013-07-31 14:09:55 UTC
Also on a more constructive note for the OP:

Forget about this war. Have some fun with them, get some frigs blown up. Good is.

Once the war is over:

- Get your people into Estel Arador or grind standing with NPC corp for jump clones.

- Place said jump clones in different corners of the galaxy.

- Stack up supplies (cheap disposable ships... Spice up with some nastier ships. Train towards SBs) Make sure you don't create actual offices there.

- Make sure at least one of your thus established fall back points is in/close to Null Sec or busy Low. Being inside Null/ busy Low usually levels the playing field

- Train

This is an example of a simple defense matrix that does not exploit the many ways to avoid wars...

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Kara Corvinus
The Empyrean Order
#50 - 2013-07-31 14:56:45 UTC
They chose you as a target because they deemed you "easy".

Its just how eve works, these high sec war corps only do it because they want easy kills, otherwise they would roam low & 0.0.

Next time be more careful, stay low on the radar & keep your head down till you can defend yourself.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#51 - 2013-07-31 15:02:09 UTC
Hi sec wardecs are about getting kills within the safety blanket of highsec and game mechanics. Therefore, a highsec wardec alliance by definition does not want to fight an equal force or even a lesser force, optimally their foes will not even be able to fight back. Their hopes lie in catching 1-2 guys alone somewhere and pouncing on them.

Its a very safe form of pseudo pvp for beginners to learn the ropes.
Lysus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-07-31 16:23:49 UTC
Kara Corvinus wrote:
They chose you as a target because they deemed you "easy".

Its just how eve works, these high sec war corps only do it because they want easy kills, otherwise they would roam low & 0.0.

Next time be more careful, stay low on the radar & keep your head down till you can defend yourself.



OMG THE NOOBS on this forum. Look, if you actually looked at who War Decced them, you can see that we are a low sec pirate alliance. With the new Security Tag system, it allows us to also go into high sec and terrorize those whom think high sec is safe.

This is EVE. NO PLACE IS SAFE!
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#53 - 2013-07-31 18:46:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Isaac Collins wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
It's true high sec pvp is boring and dishonourable, that's why CCP are gradually removing it, in a drive to bring more fun to the game.

Yes because the game is well known for it's honorablity.

Scams - Honorable
Infiltrating Corps and destroying friendships - Honorable
Suicide ganking people with 10 plex in cargo- Honorable.
Tricking your own corp to get a 370 bil Super Carrier blown up- Honorable.

What freaking dreamland of meth are you in where the major selling points of this game is honrable? Nothing in this game is ever done with Honor. Don't be naive and even more important, Don't be stupid.


What sort of game company wants to be known for dishonourable play requiring no skill, such a game wouldn't last that long if you ask me.

Obviously this is why the risk reward balance of high needs buffing, there's too many easy kills to be had in hi sec, it's at serious risk of being a ghost town if wardecs like this keeps happening.
Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-07-31 19:02:03 UTC
I'm hoping you're just trolling. I'm too lazy to look up your posting history. On the off chance that you're actually serious...

Seven Koskanaiken wrote:


What sort of game company wants to be known for dishonourable play


EVE?

I mean, even non-game media gets it:

Quote:
Firstly, the developers of EVE Online are known for taking a step back from in-game policing (and if they are conceived as being heavy handed with their development of the game, riots ensue), allowing natural evolution of gameplay. The players, who are infamous for their often cut-throat strategies, have a huge degree of freedom as to the kind of explorer they want to become.


CCP devs are pretty explicit about it:

CCP Solomon wrote:
...the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that...


Advertisements from the game put "dishonorable" thievery and betrayal front and center.

And if that offends you, the developers have a little ditty for you.
Jokelerie
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#55 - 2013-07-31 19:56:21 UTC
We are looking for some fights.

Eve changes during a war dec, any "carebear" corp will have to deal with this at some point.

The best thing you can do is try to have fun with it.

If any opponent is ever "always flying [x]" then it should be a no brainer to come up with a counter to them. The great part about Eve is while someone may have 50M skill points more than you, you can probably train for a day or 2 and find a ship that can counter a "dumb" 100M+ skill point pilot.

You guys haven't even made an attempt to evade the war dec, or prevent stupid losses.

Fly in groups, move around, don't afk on undock :).

In Eve, you must adapt to your circumstances. Whining will get you nowhere.
Askalor
New Eden Corporation 98321417
#56 - 2013-07-31 20:01:25 UTC
Jokelerie wrote:
We are looking for some fights.

Eve changes during a war dec, any "carebear" corp will have to deal with this at some point.

The best thing you can do is try to have fun with it.

If any opponent is ever "always flying [x]" then it should be a no brainer to come up with a counter to them. The great part about Eve is while someone may have 50M skill points more than you, you can probably train for a day or 2 and find a ship that can counter a "dumb" 100M+ skill point pilot.

You guys haven't even made an attempt to evade the war dec, or prevent stupid losses.

Fly in groups, move around, don't afk on undock :).

In Eve, you must adapt to your circumstances. Whining will get you nowhere.



please keep on whining..... it makes you such fun
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#57 - 2013-07-31 20:55:23 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Also on a more constructive note for the OP:

Forget about this war. Have some fun with them, get some frigs blown up. Good is.

Once the war is over:

- Get your people into Estel Arador or grind standing with NPC corp for jump clones.

- Place said jump clones in different corners of the galaxy.

- Stack up supplies (cheap disposable ships... Spice up with some nastier ships. Train towards SBs) Make sure you don't create actual offices there.

- Make sure at least one of your thus established fall back points is in/close to Null Sec or busy Low. Being inside Null/ busy Low usually levels the playing field

- Train

This is an example of a simple defense matrix that does not exploit the many ways to avoid wars...




I would even recommend finding out where the opponent is and wait for them in their station in lowsec. If you lack the firepower or the numbers to deal with somebody, then engage them in an environment where you are not the only one trying to kill them.

If you go to lowsec and kill people, you get a sec status hit, but if it's against someone you are at war with, no problem. It would be much harder for the lowsec organization to carry out their war in an environment where there are no neutrals.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#58 - 2013-07-31 21:27:32 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Also on a more constructive note for the OP:

Forget about this war. Have some fun with them, get some frigs blown up. Good is.

Once the war is over:

- Get your people into Estel Arador or grind standing with NPC corp for jump clones.

- Place said jump clones in different corners of the galaxy.

- Stack up supplies (cheap disposable ships... Spice up with some nastier ships. Train towards SBs) Make sure you don't create actual offices there.

- Make sure at least one of your thus established fall back points is in/close to Null Sec or busy Low. Being inside Null/ busy Low usually levels the playing field

- Train

This is an example of a simple defense matrix that does not exploit the many ways to avoid wars...




I would even recommend finding out where the opponent is and wait for them in their station in lowsec. If you lack the firepower or the numbers to deal with somebody, then engage them in an environment where you are not the only one trying to kill them.

If you go to lowsec and kill people, you get a sec status hit, but if it's against someone you are at war with, no problem. It would be much harder for the lowsec organization to carry out their war in an environment where there are no neutrals.





I'd take that as a given. I was only posting a very basic defense matrix. Of course you use the usual sources available to get an overview of the enemy.
As said, Null Sec or Low Sec space - the mid busy parts - level the playing field.

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Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-07-31 22:11:52 UTC
Take the Brave Newbies approach. Undock in your frigs and fight, who really cares if you die. So you loose maybe 2 mil in mods, so what. What you gain in experience and also the knowledge of how they fight is far more valuable. Who knows you may just win, possibly take down one of their T2 frigs which will give you an advantage on the ISK war.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#60 - 2013-07-31 22:22:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Mark Munoz wrote:
Take the Brave Newbies approach. Undock in your frigs and fight, who really cares if you die. So you loose maybe 2 mil in mods, so what. What you gain in experience and also the knowledge of how they fight is far more valuable. Who knows you may just win, possibly take down one of their T2 frigs which will give you an advantage on the ISK war.


Absolutely! Get out there and fight.

Treat it like it was your first day in Fight Club. Not much to lose, really, and very much to gain.

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