Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is impossible for them to die if they're piloted in a certain way. I don't think any ship should be invulnerable. That is why CCP created infinity point tacklers after all, so that certain ships wouldn't be 100% invincible when piloted in lowsec.

Here is a guide that says how to piloit jump freighters without ever dying: http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Category_Jump_Freighters.html

Basically:
* They can't be killed after jumping to the cyno, because they jump into dock range so they can instantly dock.
* They can't be killed after undocking, because they ctrl+space immediately so they never end up outside of redocking range, then when the SCT is over they can try and jump to the stargate
* While warping to stargate, they can be tackled and fired upon, but they can't be killed because they can instantly redock if threatened
*They can't be killed after coming out of warp at the stargate, because they can instantly jump through it into highsec

The result is that jump freighters can move from system to system with 100% safety. I think the idea that some ships can be 100% safe in lowsec goes against CCP's design goals. It takes all the risk out of transporting materials, which in turn removes a huge aspect of Eve's gameplay.

Basically the only time a traveling ship is vulnerable to attack is when coming out of a stargate, but jump freighters can travel through lowsec without ever having to come out of a stargate, so they're never vulnerable to attack.

I really hope CCP does something about this. It creates a big gulf between the have nots, who can get gate camped while trying to move stuff around and the haves who can use jump drives to move goods around at absolutely zero risk.

Tell me that again next time you see them make errors and run away at 1 000m/s up to 20km from the station, or tell me that when they jump in a POS without a station in system.
Tell me that when you see one get bumped because it took more then 30 seconds to dock in, or because it got bumped while undocking.
They are not invulnerable, they cost 7 billion and the fuel for them costs them more then 10 million isk per jump.
And with that they carry less then half the cargo of normal freighters.

Every ship playing station games is safe, not only jump freighters, so start talking about that.

Every ship coming out of a station right is safe sure, but non caps have periods where they can be intercepted and attacked.

Sure jump freighter pilots can screw up and lose their ships, but "100% invulnerable unless you do something stupid" is still way over powered.

100% is a wrong number and you know that, considering you paid 7 billions just to avoid gate camps means that you had to wrok around 300 man hours to get it (if you always make 20millions an hour)

Its not a time saver and a long investment.

So your lets say 99% safe. Who cares? 99% is 1 time every 100 jumps you make, you will of made more then 100 jumps if you want to make profits with your freighter.

Invulnerable in lowsec you say?

I disagree:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18940510
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18900631
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18849761
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18846063

-gank them in high sec , it is 100% doable if you want to do it ,no jf can survive
-war dec ---> gank them in high sec when they jump in from low sec
-bump them from station maybe you get lucky

or just get creative ,there are even more possibilities to kill them

This.

Stop moaning because you can't afford a JF OP.

I say we just add hisec sentries to all HI->low systems.
This way no one has to complain about their camp being unable to kill a target as they will just be instapopped if they try.
Thus the tears on both sides will stop and the game will be in peace and harmony.
Then the ponies of the Solar Empire attack.

TLDR:

I want easy kills!!!

he wants us to come up with it i am guessing, but he has a point