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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#141 - 2013-07-30 16:21:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Except I'm 23, learn games with ease and do not limit myself by server restrictions.
By the way, you never answered how you managed to hack into the server to make it behave differently for you than for everyone else…


RubyPorto wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
do not limit myself by server restrictions.
Do tell us how that works for you.



I thought I had explained that one.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#142 - 2013-07-30 16:30:47 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
I understand what you're saying. What you fail to realize is the art of true pvp. There is a reason no one has heard of you on this game, it's because you aren't good. You will never be a top player because you live off this law of 1hz. It takes you two seconds to target, orbit, and activate your modules, It only takes me one. In a world where we are equally matched in every way, I shaved a second off, I win. You come at my post filled with multiple points and tell me they are all invalid because you believe you are certain about something that you are in fact completely wrong about. Aside from that you really haven't answered the question that is my post.

What keeps YOU interested. So far small gang pvp has struck my interest and is something I haven't tried. What are some GOOD corps that accept new players with my drive to be top tier.


Where did I say that full seconds didn't count? You press your buttons at T1+.1s, I press mine at T1+.5s (a Four Hundred ms difference, goll-ee), guess what happens? They all activate at T2.


Anyway, the people I play with keep me interested.

Oh, and I cannot recommend BNI (Brave Newbies) enough. They're a fantastic bunch.


Actually they don't, his mods activate at .9 (t1) your mods activate at 1.4(t2). You lose.
Pew Terror
All of it
#143 - 2013-07-30 16:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Pew Terror
OP needs more love from mommy...

Btw plz look at his killboard, it brings his leet gaming skills much into perspective Shocked
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2013-07-30 17:34:28 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
No you don't lose anything in WOW's pvp but then again that isn't really what it's about. It's about winning, not losing. The ladder climb is why you play arena. You may not lose your bank for a losing streak, but you do lose hard earned rating that will take some time to regain. Some people care about rating, some people care about isk, some both. But really, Isk, rating, what's the difference. Both take time to grind, both unpleasing to lose.
So EVE and WoW cannot be compared, got it.


When players try to compare WoW and EvE PvP -- and they don't play BOTH games to understand BOTH games CURRENTLY -- the comments usually becomes a bunch of sour grapes, especially with personal attacks.

Pointless banter.

Losing in PvP in WoW is different than in EvE in the loss of property. In EvE the pain is the loss of property, but the fight mechanics are so boring, watching paint dry is more interesting. WoW PvP is meant for players who want more action, and want to spend the time learning all the changes per patch. In WoW you spend most of your time learning what you can do against others...and unlike in EvE...that's a lot of learning, since each patch changes something in a major way (in WoW we have Odyssey level expansions as patches).

I play a healer in WoW, be it PvE or PvP. I love the challenge of healing the impossible (don't call for wipes on my watch!), and this is what excites me as a player - SacredHeals Ownage. Faster pace, adrenaline rush sink or swim fighting. I play PvP in WoW to polish off the skills, as it's much faster pace than healing in raids.

EvE Logi is like this in comparison.

Notice the difference in PvP style even for healing? One is very active, the other you're micromanaging icons at a much slower rate.

If I PvP in EvE it's more to relax, as I won't find it very competitive. Gloating about hardship in EvE vs WoW also misses the mark, because it's true I won't lose a 250mil Basilisk ship -- but then again if I did, it's pretty fail with that many players who could protect them in the first place (communication and coordination is key to surviving and winning).

Both games treat PvP differently and it's aimed at different markets. WoW's PvP isn't keyboard turning friendly it requires speed and dexterity skills like FPS games. EvE's PvP is at a much more casual pace and aimed at multiboxers.

Apples and oranges.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#145 - 2013-07-30 17:37:37 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
When players try to compare WoW and EvE PvP -- and they don't play BOTH games to understand BOTH games CURRENTLY -- the comments usually becomes a bunch of sour grapes, especially with personal attacks.

Pointless banter.
…which is the main reason people ask you to get informed before you try, because your posts tend to fall afoul of exactly that.

Quote:
If I PvP in EvE it's more to relax, as I won't find it very competitive.
Have you tried it?
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#146 - 2013-07-30 18:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
No you don't lose anything in WOW's pvp but then again that isn't really what it's about. It's about winning, not losing. The ladder climb is why you play arena. You may not lose your bank for a losing streak, but you do lose hard earned rating that will take some time to regain. Some people care about rating, some people care about isk, some both. But really, Isk, rating, what's the difference. Both take time to grind, both unpleasing to lose.
So EVE and WoW cannot be compared, got it.


When players try to compare WoW and EvE PvP -- and they don't play BOTH games to understand BOTH games CURRENTLY -- the comments usually becomes a bunch of sour grapes, especially with personal attacks.

Pointless banter.

Losing in PvP in WoW is different than in EvE in the loss of property. In EvE the pain is the loss of property, but the fight mechanics are so boring, watching paint dry is more interesting. WoW PvP is meant for players who want more action, and want to spend the time learning all the changes per patch. In WoW you spend most of your time learning what you can do against others...and unlike in EvE...that's a lot of learning, since each patch changes something in a major way (in WoW we have Odyssey level expansions as patches).

I play a healer in WoW, be it PvE or PvP. I love the challenge of healing the impossible (don't call for wipes on my watch!), and this is what excites me as a player - SacredHeals Ownage. Faster pace, adrenaline rush sink or swim fighting. I play PvP in WoW to polish off the skills, as it's much faster pace than healing in raids.

EvE Logi is like this in comparison.

Notice the difference in PvP style even for healing? One is very active, the other you're micromanaging icons at a much slower rate.

If I PvP in EvE it's more to relax, as I won't find it very competitive. Gloating about hardship in EvE vs WoW also misses the mark, because it's true I won't lose a 250mil Basilisk ship -- but then again if I did, it's pretty fail with that many players who could protect them in the first place (communication and coordination is key to surviving and winning).

Both games treat PvP differently and it's aimed at different markets. WoW's PvP isn't keyboard turning friendly it requires speed and dexterity skills like FPS games. EvE's PvP is at a much more casual pace and aimed at multiboxers.

Apples and oranges.


In wow its --> die, respawn then die again, then respawn and die once more. Then at the end, everybody wins cause you''re all such special little snowflakes having tried so hard - so its tokens for everyone - amirite?.

In contrast, in eve its all about taking the other guys shinny things and laughing at him.

So apples to apples - some people like consequenceless pvp while others like their choices to have meaning. Each to their own.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#147 - 2013-07-30 18:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Tippia wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:

If I PvP in EvE it's more to relax, as I won't find it very competitive.
Have you tried it?

Don't be silly. In Aces little world she knows best and everybody else is just a troll, especially if they disagree with the wisdom of Ace.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Mellisa Jade
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2013-07-30 18:36:41 UTC
The constant drama and the adrenaline rush of pvp.

_'Time is to eternity, as the mind is to what surrounds us.' _
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#149 - 2013-07-30 19:04:13 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Except I'm 23, learn games with ease and do not limit myself by server restrictions.



All teens and 20 somethings are arseholes. Some even continue the trend after 30.

Also use more paragraphs OP.


I dropped out of highschool, got a GED, joined the military, then quit college. I'm stupid by college standards, I suck at writing, but I still probably make more money, get hotter girls and am better at video games then you. The world is unfair.

PS: It's ma birthday, just got back from the bar and am ready to troll. Bring it on GD.


So what you basically are saying is: you dropped out of high school, stupid by college standards and that was the last time you ever attempted something that actually required anything from you?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#150 - 2013-07-30 19:07:14 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:

If I PvP in EvE it's more to relax, as I won't find it very competitive.
Have you tried it?

Don't be silly. In Aces little world she knows best and everybody else is just a troll, especially if they disagree with the wisdom of Ace.


Which is why Ace tends to lose. As with a great many smart people, she seems to be resistant to outside influence only then to be felled by inside Hubris..
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#151 - 2013-07-30 19:08:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Alpheias wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Except I'm 23, learn games with ease and do not limit myself by server restrictions.



All teens and 20 somethings are arseholes. Some even continue the trend after 30.

Also use more paragraphs OP.


I dropped out of highschool, got a GED, joined the military, then quit college. I'm stupid by college standards, I suck at writing, but I still probably make more money, get hotter girls and am better at video games then you. The world is unfair.

PS: It's ma birthday, just got back from the bar and am ready to troll. Bring it on GD.


So what you basically are saying is: you dropped out of high school, stupid by college standards and that was the last time you ever attempted something that actually required anything from you?
Nice Lol

Makes more money? Possibly.
Hotter girls? A lot of Eve players are married, their wives probably won't allow it.
Better at video games? Most of us have been playing video games since before the OPs parents had a disappointing sexual episode in the back of the car, experience > speed both in video games and real life. I'd much rather do something slowly and well than do it quickly and poorly.

Op claims he is/was in the military, so he should know that the older experienced soldiers are the ones that make sure the younger inexperienced ones do their task well. It's experienced and older NCO's that run the military, not the Ruperts (officers for anyone not British) who generally can't find their own arse with both hands and GPS co-ordinates or the youngsters who might be quick on the trigger but have no feel for tactics and strategy.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#152 - 2013-07-30 19:17:44 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I'd much rather do something slowly and well than to do it quickly and badly.


Like losing your virginity? P

<3

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#153 - 2013-07-30 19:19:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Alpheias wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I'd much rather do something slowly and well than to do it quickly and badly.


Like losing your virginity? P

<3

That's pretty much always quick and terribad Shocked (insert obligatory your mum joke here)

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#154 - 2013-07-30 19:22:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I'd much rather do something slowly and well than to do it quickly and badly.


Like losing your virginity? P

<3

That's pretty much always quick and terribad Shocked (insert obligatory your mum joke here)



You can joke about it all you want so long as you ...love... your mother.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#155 - 2013-07-30 19:25:45 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I'd much rather do something slowly and well than to do it quickly and badly.


Like losing your virginity? P

<3

That's pretty much always quick and terribad Shocked (insert obligatory your mum joke here)



You can joke about it all you want so long as you ...love... your mother.


Love for mom.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#156 - 2013-07-30 20:12:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Shanky Shanks
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Except I'm 23, learn games with ease and do not limit myself by server restrictions.



All teens and 20 somethings are arseholes. Some even continue the trend after 30.

Also use more paragraphs OP.


I dropped out of highschool, got a GED, joined the military, then quit college. I'm stupid by college standards, I suck at writing, but I still probably make more money, get hotter girls and am better at video games then you. The world is unfair.

PS: It's ma birthday, just got back from the bar and am ready to troll. Bring it on GD.


So what you basically are saying is: you dropped out of high school, stupid by college standards and that was the last time you ever attempted something that actually required anything from you?
Nice Lol

Makes more money? Possibly.
Hotter girls? A lot of Eve players are married, their wives probably won't allow it.
Better at video games? Most of us have been playing video games since before the OPs parents had a disappointing sexual episode in the back of the car, experience > speed both in video games and real life. I'd much rather do something slowly and well than do it quickly and poorly.

Op claims he is/was in the military, so he should know that the older experienced soldiers are the ones that make sure the younger inexperienced ones do their task well. It's experienced and older NCO's that run the military, not the Ruperts (officers for anyone not British) who generally can't find their own arse with both hands and GPS co-ordinates or the youngsters who might be quick on the trigger but have no feel for tactics and strategy.


Love your mother
My last deployment required quite a bit out of me, but that was probably the last thing that required any heavy effort from me. College is not the golden ticket to riches and happiness, well, at least it wasn't for me. Listening to 90 year old mono tone professor talk about log rhythms for four hours every other day isn't everyone's cup of tea. zZz

When my dad forgot to where that condom in the back of the car it was 1988. You may have gained superior tetris skills while I was in the whom but I could probably out play you at dr. mario by the age of 3 lol. Yes my dates are wrong and once again I'm exaggerating, calm down tetris nerds.

Experience is > speed. I don't understand why this keeps being thrown around as if you're teaching me something. The problem you old men aren't seeing is that you can have both. Some of you older folk may be a little past your prime but this younger generation was raised on fast action first person shooters. When we come to a new game and then gain the KNOWLEDGE needed to beat other players, we will execute it faster.

Being older doesn't make you more experienced at anything specific. Are older people more knowledgeable in general? Yes of course, but that doesn't make them subject matter experts on everything. There are some kids in their early twenties who do some pretty heroic **** when it comes to leading troops and their are some 40 year old privates in the army who couldn't lead a group of men to save their life... quite literally. Of course that can be the other way around, I've seen some crazy ass old men and stupid little kids but the point is age has nothing to do with it. We won't even get in to the officers... 1 in 50 can do any type of leading
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#157 - 2013-07-30 20:22:00 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
WoW had pvp.. rofl.. This epeen seeking guy is funny.. And you made a comment to EVE relying on SP being the key deciding factor but WoW was all about the gear you had so how did that pathetic of a game keep your interest when you are in a way complaining bout the same ****..


Never did I say SP was the deciding factor

WOW didn't have pvp? You sound as though you couldn't cut it in arena, my favorite form of pvp in an MMO. You can compare your comment very heavily to what some players have said to me on this forum. Where you complain about not having the gear in WOW to compete in arena, I complain about not having the SP to compete in the small fights on eve. In wow when I was playing extensively, I would roll many new characters and with rocking just blues in some cases, destroy these heavily geared players because I had the knowledge to. Full set of the lowest tier purples and it was game over for them until I got near players who were getting close to being equally skilled. HOWEVER When I first started wow, such as I have with eve, it was quite different. I needed the gear to compete on an equal level because I didn't have the knowledge.


Except this isn't the case in EVE. A player who has been playing a long time can make a dumb, dumb move in a big, heavily tanked, expensive ship and get roflstomped by a gang of nooby scrubs in rickety cheap ships with T1 fittings (led by a couple of vets who were constantly on the verge of wondering if were all going to get killed -- but we never did).

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18154898
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18154588

No, you're just another WoW trash-talking arena jock who is butthurt that he hasn't been able to casually stroll into this game and start getting amazing 1v1 kills from the start. You could have been getting good experience and group kills long before now if you had even a sliver of humility.

I halfway that hope you stick around long enough in the game to be embarrassed by this thread.


Yes, this is the only game where making a dumb, dumb mistake causes you to lose.. omg the world of eve is so unique to other games.

That kill mail rofl. Very nice job, I'm incredibly impressed with your ability to orbit a defenseless ship with 100 other people and click your modules on then go grab a sandwich while you rep'd his drones damage. Very nice. Not even going to look at the second one.
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#158 - 2013-07-30 20:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Shanky Shanks
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
No you don't lose anything in WOW's pvp but then again that isn't really what it's about. It's about winning, not losing. The ladder climb is why you play arena. You may not lose your bank for a losing streak, but you do lose hard earned rating that will take some time to regain. Some people care about rating, some people care about isk, some both. But really, Isk, rating, what's the difference. Both take time to grind, both unpleasing to lose.
So EVE and WoW cannot be compared, got it.
I've been fighting in a little border skirmish in a backwater region the inhabitants know as Fountain. The coalitions going head-to-head have roughly 65 300 combined members, so it's not really any big fights or any important skirmish. I have lost a few things, probably amounting to 500M all in all. Those ISK are annoying losses for me, but I get SRP so it's not about the ISK. For my alliance, again, it's not the ISK since we're more than solvent, but the lost fights for control, for political and strategic objectives, the morale impact from losses etc.
ISK losses can be the easiest to quantify and at the same time be utterly insignificant losses.
Quote:
I can grind security missions all day in high sec and with a proper build and not being stupid I can do it all without losing ship until my hearts content. I can do it 99.9% of the time without having to worry about being attacked by another player also. If that .1% is forced pvp to you then you may be a little more paranoid then you should be.
Ask freighter and jumpfreighter pilots if they agree.
Or gankers/wardeccers, for that matter.

You're one out of maybe ten thousand who each, individually, only get ganked every hundred day.
A single ganker might gank ten people a day.
The math then becomes really simple.


I would hope that 500m wouldn't hurt your feelings considering the amount of time you've been playing. 500m wouldn't hurt my feelings and i've been playing a month.

They are comparable in that everything in these types of games is a grind, losing what you're grinding for is unpleasant.

Are you dumb? If you look at it from the pvpers perspective of course it's forced pvp, they are fkin pvping. From the pve'ers perspective, he gets ganked once every hundred days... I'm not feeling the forced pvp.

On a side note all that talk about your border skirmish sounds pretty bad ass. Hope it goes well for you guys.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#159 - 2013-07-30 20:35:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
When players try to compare WoW and EvE PvP -- and they don't play BOTH games to understand BOTH games CURRENTLY -- the comments usually becomes a bunch of sour grapes, especially with personal attacks.

Pointless banter.
…which is the main reason people ask you to get informed before you try, because your posts tend to fall afoul of exactly that.

Quote:
If I PvP in EvE it's more to relax, as I won't find it very competitive.
Have you tried it?



If she has, there is no record of it anywhere - win or loss.

Ace, come out to Curse sometime and learn all about how simplistic and relaxing EVE pvp isn't, and how stupid it is to compare it to WoW pvp. The two aren't even like apples and oranges - it's more like basketballs and bicycles. I'm sure you'll be very relaxed when you jump to a gate only to be unexpectedly sucked into an interdictor bubble the is actually behind the gate, then when you find yourself unable to get out of it while you're being targeted, shot at, watching your ship go into structure, kaboom, then your pod is blown up (perhaps with expensive implants plugged in) and you find yourself in some station many jumps away. Hope that clone is updated. This is a very relaxing kind of pvp, I am certain you will agree.


> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#160 - 2013-07-30 20:49:27 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
WoW had pvp.. rofl.. This epeen seeking guy is funny.. And you made a comment to EVE relying on SP being the key deciding factor but WoW was all about the gear you had so how did that pathetic of a game keep your interest when you are in a way complaining bout the same ****..


Never did I say SP was the deciding factor

WOW didn't have pvp? You sound as though you couldn't cut it in arena, my favorite form of pvp in an MMO. You can compare your comment very heavily to what some players have said to me on this forum. Where you complain about not having the gear in WOW to compete in arena, I complain about not having the SP to compete in the small fights on eve. In wow when I was playing extensively, I would roll many new characters and with rocking just blues in some cases, destroy these heavily geared players because I had the knowledge to. Full set of the lowest tier purples and it was game over for them until I got near players who were getting close to being equally skilled. HOWEVER When I first started wow, such as I have with eve, it was quite different. I needed the gear to compete on an equal level because I didn't have the knowledge.


Except this isn't the case in EVE. A player who has been playing a long time can make a dumb, dumb move in a big, heavily tanked, expensive ship and get roflstomped by a gang of nooby scrubs in rickety cheap ships with T1 fittings (led by a couple of vets who were constantly on the verge of wondering if were all going to get killed -- but we never did).

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18154898
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18154588

No, you're just another WoW trash-talking arena jock who is butthurt that he hasn't been able to casually stroll into this game and start getting amazing 1v1 kills from the start. You could have been getting good experience and group kills long before now if you had even a sliver of humility.

I halfway that hope you stick around long enough in the game to be embarrassed by this thread.


Yes, this is the only game where making a dumb, dumb mistake causes you to lose.. omg the world of eve is so unique to other games.

That kill mail rofl. Very nice job, I'm incredibly impressed with your ability to orbit a defenseless ship with 100 other people and click your modules on then go grab a sandwich while you rep'd his drones damage. Very nice. Not even going to look at the second one.


The point, it continues to go "whoosh" over your head. "Defenseless"? In their sov, with another of the same BC next to him and a cynabal there shooting at us as well. We were the ones in danger there - but we chose to go there, get it? And who cares if it was defenseless anyway? EVE is dog-eat-dog open world pvp, son. There ain't no arena rules here so bleating about 'skill' in regards to a killmail like this only goes in the opposite direction: the pilot of the BC messed up and let himself get into a situation where he got taken out by a bunch of scrubs in Talwars.

If you're going to only play honorable then you're only going to continue to get lossmails. However, a guy who played WoW arena knows fully well how to play dirty; it's just the culture of WoW's primitive meta game to trash-talk your opponents by questioning eir ethics and honor. That doesn't fly here.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl