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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#121 - 2013-07-30 00:55:02 UTC
The PvP.

The forum PvP.

The local chat PvP.

The market PvP.

And L4 missions.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#122 - 2013-07-30 01:27:03 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
WoW had pvp.. rofl.. This epeen seeking guy is funny.. And you made a comment to EVE relying on SP being the key deciding factor but WoW was all about the gear you had so how did that pathetic of a game keep your interest when you are in a way complaining bout the same ****..


Never did I say SP was the deciding factor

WOW didn't have pvp? You sound as though you couldn't cut it in arena, my favorite form of pvp in an MMO. You can compare your comment very heavily to what some players have said to me on this forum. Where you complain about not having the gear in WOW to compete in arena, I complain about not having the SP to compete in the small fights on eve. In wow when I was playing extensively, I would roll many new characters and with rocking just blues in some cases, destroy these heavily geared players because I had the knowledge to. Full set of the lowest tier purples and it was game over for them until I got near players who were getting close to being equally skilled. HOWEVER When I first started wow, such as I have with eve, it was quite different. I needed the gear to compete on an equal level because I didn't have the knowledge.


Except this isn't the case in EVE. A player who has been playing a long time can make a dumb, dumb move in a big, heavily tanked, expensive ship and get roflstomped by a gang of nooby scrubs in rickety cheap ships with T1 fittings (led by a couple of vets who were constantly on the verge of wondering if were all going to get killed -- but we never did).

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18154898
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18154588

No, you're just another WoW trash-talking arena jock who is butthurt that he hasn't been able to casually stroll into this game and start getting amazing 1v1 kills from the start. You could have been getting good experience and group kills long before now if you had even a sliver of humility.

I halfway that hope you stick around long enough in the game to be embarrassed by this thread.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#123 - 2013-07-30 03:14:20 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
WoW had pvp.. rofl.. This epeen seeking guy is funny.. And you made a comment to EVE relying on SP being the key deciding factor but WoW was all about the gear you had so how did that pathetic of a game keep your interest when you are in a way complaining bout the same ****..


Never did I say SP was the deciding factor


Shanky Shanks wrote:
Who in the hell clicks in pvp, It's hotkeys and hotkeys only, miliseconds matter, None the less these pilots win battle after battle which tells me this game is really nothing but a "I've got more time invested into skills then you" game.


*ahem* Oops

Anywho... I think Tron's claim is that PvP in WoW is essentially inconsequential rather than claiming that it doesn't exist. You can't lose anything significant by doing it, whereas in EVE, you can lose everything you bring to the table if you lose. In addition, you can opt out of participating in PvP when playing WoW, something that is impossible in EvE.


I indeed did say that apparently, well played. I was pretty drunk during my first few handful of posts, so I was exaggerating a bit.
Knowledge wins, I won't deny that, nor have I throughout my posts here, this time I'm sure of it.
No you don't lose anything in WOW's pvp but then again that isn't really what it's about. It's about winning, not losing. The ladder climb is why you play arena. You may not lose your bank for a losing streak, but you do lose hard earned rating that will take some time to regain. Some people care about rating, some people care about isk, some both. But really, Isk, rating, what's the difference. Both take time to grind, both unpleasing to lose.
I can grind security missions all day in high sec and with a proper build and not being stupid I can do it all without losing ship until my hearts content. I can do it 99.9% of the time without having to worry about being attacked by another player also. If that .1% is forced pvp to you then you may be a little more paranoid then you should be.

Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#124 - 2013-07-30 03:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Shanky Shanks
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:


No, you're just another WoW trash-talking arena jock who is butthurt that he hasn't been able to casually stroll into this game and start getting amazing 1v1 kills from the start. You could have been getting good experience and group kills long before now if you had even a sliver of humility.

I halfway that hope you stick around long enough in the game to be embarrassed by this thread.


No I strolled in and this game has been too casual, that is why I made the post. Making isk is a breeze, everything pve is a breeze, the game mechanics are incredibly simple to grasp and fight with in comparison to "twitchy" games. I do however get destroyed in pvp, that is true. I get destroyed because i know nothing of the game pvp wise after a month of play and little to no effort put into aside from a small amount of faction warfare. My intended question was, why get good at it. What is the reward in attaining the knowledge. Entertainment from raw game play isn't there, so it must be the small gang you run with and the politics of why you are fighting for what you are. At least that is the conclusion I came to after reading this thread.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#125 - 2013-07-30 05:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Except I'm 23, learn games with ease and do not limit myself by server restrictions.



All teens and 20 somethings are arseholes. Some even continue the trend after 30.

Also use more paragraphs OP.
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#126 - 2013-07-30 06:19:40 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Except I'm 23, learn games with ease and do not limit myself by server restrictions.



All teens and 20 somethings are arseholes. Some even continue the trend after 30.

Also use more paragraphs OP.


I dropped out of highschool, got a GED, joined the military, then quit college. I'm stupid by college standards, I suck at writing, but I still probably make more money, get hotter girls and am better at video games then you. The world is unfair.

PS: It's ma birthday, just got back from the bar and am ready to troll. Bring it on GD.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2013-07-30 06:57:45 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
No, you're just another WoW trash-talking arena jock who is butthurt that he hasn't been able to casually stroll into this game and start getting amazing 1v1 kills from the start. You could have been getting good experience and group kills long before now if you had even a sliver of humility.


I expect EvE players to be a tad more intelligent than the average WoW player, not a bunch of sour grapes who are so antisocial even WoW can't accept them.

"Arena jock"? Do you even understand how much w-o-r-k is required to have and maintain an arena rating in WoW? A lot harder than what these killmails show with 5 players facerolling pods. Roll

Instead of bad mouthing other games -- and it's players -- either put up or shut up (and please don't tell us you played WoW back in 2007...WoW's 10x harder today than then).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2013-07-30 07:23:50 UTC
Maximillian German wrote:
Tell me, Ace, has Blizzard given you a free subscription yet? It seems like the least they could do since you're giving them so much free publicity.


Did CCP give you free PLEX as some booster? It seems like the least they could do since you're giving them so much free publicity (and unlike Blizzard, CCP does pay players with ingame currency).

I'm no WoW fanboi (no one from WoW could claim that seriously, especially Blizzard! lol), but seeing remarks that are false, yeah, someone has to say "you're wrong" and by how much.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#129 - 2013-07-30 08:21:12 UTC
PvP with consequences. World that feels like a bizzarre cross of Road Warrior and a scifi movie.

EVE is more than the few buttons and a spreadsheet of [-]/[+] squares you shoot or not. It's the comms, the people and the metagame. Sure PvP is a blast especially when you get some experience in it, but doing it with a gang is even better. Chatting with the corporation leadership and planning your next move in this conflict, coming up with ship fittings after a patch, hunting for targets or just plain undocking and shooting each other outside of your headquarters. It's barely bearable solo but way better with a group.

Plus, those sudden "I was there" moments. I bet a lot of people have at least one.

In a 1v1 there's a big chance a rookie will die unless odds and his own knowledge (not the SP one) work in his favor. In a gang his role becomes more significant, the legendary "I will ruin your day" tackler comes to mind. You'd be surprised just how scary a T1 frigate becomes when you're in a big, slow battleship.

Also, the "grind" - the thing with it is you don't have to do it. There are ways to get rich without shooting NPCs and most of them are totally legit by GM standards. Reason? PvP isn't only shooting someone in the face, it's also stealing his assets and closing his corporation after infiltrating it.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#130 - 2013-07-30 08:59:16 UTC
I fly the DRAKE and its awesome

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#131 - 2013-07-30 09:15:16 UTC
I wish more people would use boosters. I thoroughly enjoy being a space-heisenberg.

ヽ(⌒∇⌒)ﾉ へ(゜∇、°)へ (◕‿◕✿)
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#132 - 2013-07-30 09:48:12 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
No, you're just another WoW trash-talking arena jock who is butthurt that he hasn't been able to casually stroll into this game and start getting amazing 1v1 kills from the start. You could have been getting good experience and group kills long before now if you had even a sliver of humility.


I expect EvE players to be a tad more intelligent than the average WoW player, not a bunch of sour grapes who are so antisocial even WoW can't accept them.

"Arena jock"? Do you even understand how much w-o-r-k is required to have and maintain an arena rating in WoW? A lot harder than what these killmails show with 5 players facerolling pods. Roll

Instead of bad mouthing other games -- and it's players -- either put up or shut up (and please don't tell us you played WoW back in 2007...WoW's 10x harder today than then).


I love this guy, how do you give a likes received to someone. Don't worry bro, I'll figure it out, google will show me the way. +1
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#133 - 2013-07-30 09:49:36 UTC
ehhhhh, there is a like button in the corner of the screen. lol
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#134 - 2013-07-30 10:24:10 UTC
Google Docs.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#135 - 2013-07-30 10:58:58 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
No you don't lose anything in WOW's pvp but then again that isn't really what it's about. It's about winning, not losing. The ladder climb is why you play arena. You may not lose your bank for a losing streak, but you do lose hard earned rating that will take some time to regain. Some people care about rating, some people care about isk, some both. But really, Isk, rating, what's the difference. Both take time to grind, both unpleasing to lose.
So EVE and WoW cannot be compared, got it.
I've been fighting in a little border skirmish in a backwater region the inhabitants know as Fountain. The coalitions going head-to-head have roughly 65 300 combined members, so it's not really any big fights or any important skirmish. I have lost a few things, probably amounting to 500M all in all. Those ISK are annoying losses for me, but I get SRP so it's not about the ISK. For my alliance, again, it's not the ISK since we're more than solvent, but the lost fights for control, for political and strategic objectives, the morale impact from losses etc.
ISK losses can be the easiest to quantify and at the same time be utterly insignificant losses.
Quote:
I can grind security missions all day in high sec and with a proper build and not being stupid I can do it all without losing ship until my hearts content. I can do it 99.9% of the time without having to worry about being attacked by another player also. If that .1% is forced pvp to you then you may be a little more paranoid then you should be.
Ask freighter and jumpfreighter pilots if they agree.
Or gankers/wardeccers, for that matter.

You're one out of maybe ten thousand who each, individually, only get ganked every hundred day.
A single ganker might gank ten people a day.
The math then becomes really simple.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#136 - 2013-07-30 11:05:30 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Instead of bad mouthing other games -- and it's players -- either put up or shut up
So why don't you?

Quote:
Did CCP give you free PLEX as some booster? It seems like the least they could do since you're giving them so much free publicity (and unlike Blizzard, CCP does pay players with ingame currency).
Really? Do you have any example of this that you can point to?

Shanky Shanks wrote:
Except I'm 23, learn games with ease and do not limit myself by server restrictions.
By the way, you never answered how you managed to hack into the server to make it behave differently for you than for everyone else…
Bruce Kemp
Suddenly taken over
#137 - 2013-07-30 11:41:21 UTC
Get into a good corp with good people and EVE shines. P
Lactosa Intoleranza
Eximus Industrial
#138 - 2013-07-30 12:46:26 UTC
I've come to the conclusion that i suck in eve. After 7 years i finally concluded that. I'm bad at mining, at pvp, exploration, mission running.

I've also come to the conclusion that i'm quite good in the meta stuff. Offering services that are not in the game client per se.

There is so much stuff you can do that no tutorial teaches you and that pays an awful lot of money and that is by no means glitching or exploiting it turns also out to be the most fun (for me):

- Infiltration, Intel Brokering

- Sabotage

- Playing a "Clay Davis" type of Double Agent and cash in on both ends.

- Mess with Politics.

- Putting up legit services for people to use like websites, or programming skills, graphical treats.

- Putting up seemingly legit services - which are not. (look up the bank heist)

- Telling jokes, making people laugh - for ISK (after i've seen a standup comedian offering his services in Jita Local i've seen it all)

- Be creative for fucksake...

You have to find your place in eve or you will have a miserable time. That said...

All that circlejerk about the fast clicking and that you are on the top % in so many other games doesnt mean jack in here. The problem is, eve is not about fairness.... a juicy killboard.. everyone can fake that, you dont know how it came to be, besides there are almost never comparable fights. The killmailwhoring is another ugly face of eve. You just can't compare yourself to others.

The stories that emerge from it, they are the reason you should play. I personally believe that if you don't see the appeal in that you will have a bad time in eve.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#139 - 2013-07-30 12:46:56 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
No, you're just another WoW trash-talking arena jock who is butthurt that he hasn't been able to casually stroll into this game and start getting amazing 1v1 kills from the start. You could have been getting good experience and group kills long before now if you had even a sliver of humility.


I expect EvE players to be a tad more intelligent than the average WoW player, not a bunch of sour grapes who are so antisocial even WoW can't accept them.

"Arena jock"? Do you even understand how much w-o-r-k is required to have and maintain an arena rating in WoW? A lot harder than what these killmails show with 5 players facerolling pods. Roll

Instead of bad mouthing other games -- and it's players -- either put up or shut up (and please don't tell us you played WoW back in 2007...WoW's 10x harder today than then).



Yes, Ace dear. I am going to say I played WoW for years, and I have said that before. I played it up until recently, in fact. I have the "Step Into the Arena" achievement but I was always more of an open-world pvp kind of girl, and that kind of pvp is now dead in WoW.

The arena community is skilled. Skilled at having super-fast reflexes, botting in BGs after every expansion or patch in order to get the gear they need faster, DDoSing their opponents, and whining on the forums about how Ghostcrawler hates them.

Not all arena jocks are that way to be sure; the small contingent in my old guild that used to arena was not. Those guys and girls were adults, though, and I absolutely cannot see them coming on to EVE's forums and arguing with a guy from Sniggwaffe that high-level pvp'rs in this game suck because they use the mouse to navigate th UI.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#140 - 2013-07-30 13:14:51 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
[quote=Trudeaux Margaret]

"Arena jock"? Do you even understand how much w-o-r-k is required to have and maintain an arena rating in WoW? A lot harder than what these killmails show with 5 players facerolling pods. Roll



Arena pvp is the functional equivalent of a "caned hunt." Sure you can call yourself a hunter just because you walk on to some farmers enclosed field for you to shoot his tame specialized raised birds that he releases just for the occasion, but most folk who are serious about the art think you're a cheating, sleazebag. Even shooting pods is better then arena pvp - why? because they were found in the wild - the product of open world pvp. The skill in eve pvp does not necessarily come from the actual combat - rather it truly lies in the preparation, the hunt and most importantly, the actual decision to engage in combat. And where the meta game becomes involved then eve truly gets epic.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.