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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#61 - 2013-07-28 00:26:59 UTC
Eve does a good job of simulating the feeling that things in the game really matter, when really they don't matter a ****.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#62 - 2013-07-28 06:47:27 UTC
TBH its like ICQ just with giant Spaceships!

Meet the Mario Kart 8 - Capsuleer Club Cup
Mytai Gengod
Sebees
#63 - 2013-07-28 06:50:42 UTC
I've been playing for ~6 months and feel like I've barely started.

Of course I only get maybe 30 minutes on week nights.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#64 - 2013-07-28 07:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Shanky Shanks wrote:
I will beat this point until its dead...

You don't have to. EVE players do like to use hotkeys. Actually the drone interface is a part of the game, where there's frequent player demand for more/better hotkey support.

But EVE is not the game, where you have to decide about whether to squeeze in that instant spell not triggering a global cooldown. So people tend to be more relaxed about this kind of game play.

That doesn't mean, they don't use their options when CONCORD leaves them only 15s to gank someone.

Remove standings and insurance.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#65 - 2013-07-28 08:18:54 UTC
female avatars.
Natalia Drops
The Riot Formation
#66 - 2013-07-28 09:50:50 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its not a twitch game.


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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#67 - 2013-07-28 10:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
I've been playing for more than four years now and I am starting to lose interest to be honest, but that is only because I don't have much time to play. So I basically log on every few days, check my skillpoints, chat to people in corp, fit a ship I intend to use for PvP and then log off.

But, people are right... if your looking for something more. Something challenging and exciting, then small gang PvP is where it's at. Find a group who regularly takes on groups twice their size, and join up. I've run with a lot of really good small gang guys, but generally I run my own fleets (or did). If you want some guys who are really epic, I flew with Tempest Legion and they were fantastic. Very small group, all really good. They are a little mouthy, but so long as your not easily offended you'll be fine.

Otherwise, see if you can find a group yourself.

Edit: As for the whole clicking with the mouse thing, I am afraid it's essential in Eve. To manually pilot your ship you click in space, there is no other option. All the best small gang and solo PvPers manually position their ships in PvP, because location is key. Even if you used hotkeys to move the view to see where you wanted to go you would still have to grab the mouse to choose to fly in that direction, so it's better to use the mouse for the whole process. Obviously good PvPers use hotkeys for as much as physically possible. The only hot keys I really use are for activating mods, locking, jumping, warping etc. There are no hotkeys for reloading ASBs, or changing ammo types, or a lot of the drone functions. When it comes down to it really, using the mouse is straight up essential for a lot of crucial things, and moving your hand from the mouse back down to the keyboard in a fair amount of situations is just a waste of time.

Hot keys make a difference, and every little helps, but it is only a little. When someone knows what your fit is likely to be like and has fitted two webs so you can't even hit them from the range they are orbiting you, then hot keys will make literally no difference.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#68 - 2013-07-28 10:17:15 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:

I will beat this point until its dead, In a game where people spend a month for a 5% increase, or millions more isk for fractions of increases, It would only make sense to me that hot keys would make sense to you. Even if hot keys were a 5% increase (which they are well above) to speed and accuracy, wouldn't it be worth it? Remember the server restricts everything it processes to increments of about a second, but you do not have a restrictions on how many things you can tell it to do in that second.


Maybe you get some advantage, but i would argue it is negligible compared to more important gameplay tactics in eve, like the proper positioning, some intuition about the behavior of the pray and most important: more friends than your enemy.
Athena Stromgard
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-07-28 10:25:54 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:

I will beat this point until its dead, In a game where people spend a month for a 5% increase, or millions more isk for fractions of increases, It would only make sense to me that hot keys would make sense to you. Even if hot keys were a 5% increase (which they are well above) to speed and accuracy, wouldn't it be worth it? Remember the server restricts everything it processes to increments of about a second, but you do not have a restrictions on how many things you can tell it to do in that second.


Maybe you get some advantage, but i would argue it is negligible compared to more important gameplay tactics in eve, like the proper positioning, some intuition about the behavior of the pray and most important: more friends than your enemy.


More friends than the enemy = more alts than the enemy = Isboxer = hotkeys.

Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#70 - 2013-07-28 10:32:30 UTC
Athena Stromgard wrote:

More friends than the enemy = more alts than the enemy = Isboxer = hotkeys.

Speak for yourself, i prefer real people as friends. I don't have a second account
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#71 - 2013-07-28 11:03:26 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
Athena Stromgard wrote:

More friends than the enemy = more alts than the enemy = Isboxer = hotkeys.

Speak for yourself, i prefer real people as friends. I don't have a second account



Thats in my opinion the only real Problem in Eve, how can you have REAL consequences if your can just avoid these with another 15 Bucks?

But thats another Topic...

Meet the Mario Kart 8 - Capsuleer Club Cup
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#72 - 2013-07-28 11:04:55 UTC
Lephia DeGrande wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
Athena Stromgard wrote:

More friends than the enemy = more alts than the enemy = Isboxer = hotkeys.

Speak for yourself, i prefer real people as friends. I don't have a second account



Thats in my opinion the only real Problem in Eve, how can you have REAL consequences if your can just avoid these with another 15 Bucks?

But thats another Topic...


Inconsequential. Anyone who uses multibox software in PvP is an easy target.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#73 - 2013-07-28 12:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Trudeaux Margaret
Shanky Shanks wrote:

So a sober and proper defense to my beloved twitchy hot keys. I learned that the server has limitations on actions done which makes this game give some restrictions as to what you can do with speed. A fight doesn't consist of the 1 second that is the restriction. Once you are comfortable with hot keys they literally double, if not triple your speed and accuracy of commands. I can comfortably say that you give a lot more then 1 second worth of commands in any given fight, therefore being able to get more actions in on the first second, allows you to be way ahead of your opponent on the next second. Other games require an extensive knowledge of the game as well as fast executions to perform well. Many of these twitchy games aren't played blindfolded without any part of your brain except the cerebellum. If you want to beat some of the higher tier players, it will require a ton of knowledge as well as the ability to execute. Just like in this game if you react incorrectly, then you will lose. I will beat this point until its dead, In a game where people spend a month for a 5% increase, or millions more isk for fractions of increases, It would only make sense to me that hot keys would make sense to you. Even if hot keys were a 5% increase (which they are well above) to speed and accuracy, wouldn't it be worth it? Remember the server restricts everything it processes to increments of about a second, but you do not have a restrictions on how many things you can tell it to do in that second.



Shanky,
I am a new player too, here since early April.

I make extensive use of hotkeys over mouse clicks. I have learned to un-spaz and slow down during pvp fights. I am a tackler on my corp's null sec bubble camp team and that is what I am likely to be remain for a while yet, but when I am finished I will understand the mechanics of tackling inside and out - hopefully! Tackling is an extremely important role in this game and the player performing this role needs to be calm. Not twitchy.

This game is about information and how you use it, so really, IMO, how you enter your commands doesn't matter which is what I think everyone was trying to tell you. That point got lost in all the technical talk about how the server processes commands.

I don't know if you are are watching the Alliance Tournament currently in progress but if not, it is worth tuning in for. While the matches shown on there won't give you any indication of a realistic gang fight you'd ever see on the live server, they are nearly all incredible displays of high-level piloting of ships up to battleships, and the explanations of what's going on so far by the commentators have been great.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-07-28 12:37:24 UTC
First, your killboard kinda negates your claim of being elite. Second, well there is no second. You're in the 1% for sure, but it's the bottom 1%, not the top. This isn't LoL man. You just tried saying you're better than everybody else, and now all these people are gonna be out to prove you're not. I hope you can make a billion ISK a month, you're gonna need it to replace your ships. Welcome to EvE, where you'll quickly find you're not in LoL anymore.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#75 - 2013-07-28 13:14:31 UTC
It is the people in game that keep me playing. Watching the growth of an empire in null then watching it rip itself apart internally has yet too get boring for me.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-07-28 13:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Good morning forums! So I had some fun trolling here last night and figured I would stop by again in the morning to be serious. My OP started off serious, I wanted something more from this game and I had included several points as to what I've done on the game so far and what I've enjoyed in other games. I will elaborate on a few of my points so that they are more clear. I make my income from home so when I say I've played for a month, what I mean is I played on average 12 hours a day for 3-4 weeks straight. It was easy to do too, this game is beautiful to look at, has an amazing concept and filled with what seems to be a metric **** ton of things to do. During my few weeks of playing I have done nothing but read about eve while playing eve, so I have a decent Idea of what there is to do when comparing it to what I've already done. I said I was in the top % of players in the previous games I've invested my time, not to impress you (who in the hell cares how good I was at another game...). It was to give you an idea of why i play games, I play to win in a competitive environment. I started off this game with security missions which were interesting for a week. I made isk too easily through null sec and WH explorations which was interesting for a week. I tried some mining, some ninja salvaging, some trading, some DED sites, and some fleet raids through nul. Then I tried faction warfare which I got rolled through in every encounter, but I still made a fat amount of isk. When it comes to pvp, obviously SP isn't what makes a pilot, like everything in life, knowledge wins. When you are a new pilot starting out, having 1/4th the dps and tank, and lack of knowledge... you're going to lose. Having an equal tank and damage would be very helpful which is where my "wait in hangar for sp" comment came in. Everything I said was shot down by one man because I used the word hot keys. Now I laughed as he disregarded everything I said because he disagreed with one fraction of my post, so I defended my post in a fashion that might show a "superiority complex".
So a sober and proper defense to my beloved twitchy hot keys. I learned that the server has limitations on actions done which makes this game give some restrictions as to what you can do with speed. A fight doesn't consist of the 1 second that is the restriction. Once you are comfortable with hot keys they literally double, if not triple your speed and accuracy of commands. I can comfortably say that you give a lot more then 1 second worth of commands in any given fight, therefore being able to get more actions in on the first second, allows you to be way ahead of your opponent on the next second. Other games require an extensive knowledge of the game as well as fast executions to perform well. Many of these twitchy games aren't played blindfolded without any part of your brain except the cerebellum. If you want to beat some of the higher tier players, it will require a ton of knowledge as well as the ability to execute. Just like in this game if you react incorrectly, then you will lose. I will beat this point until its dead, In a game where people spend a month for a 5% increase, or millions more isk for fractions of increases, It would only make sense to me that hot keys would make sense to you. Even if hot keys were a 5% increase (which they are well above) to speed and accuracy, wouldn't it be worth it? Remember the server restricts everything it processes to increments of about a second, but you do not have a restrictions on how many things you can tell it to do in that second.



LOL, guy talks about using hotkeys, doesn't use "Enter" hotkey.

Get out. Lol
Obunagawe
#77 - 2013-07-28 13:21:20 UTC
Nothing, but it's free to play and I've invested too much time to quit.
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#78 - 2013-07-28 22:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Shanky Shanks
Of course my kill board is trash, I haven't killed anyone. I've been playing for a month, and never said I was epic at this game or anything near. It had hardly anything to do with my main post to be perfectly honest. My main question was answered though so I will keep defending my hot keys.
Hot keys don't make for twitchy games play, they make for smooth organized game play. You would be surprised how calm the people playing these twitchy games actually are. They can be calm because they aren't frantically taking their eyes off their targets while looking down and up and all around at these hundred clicks they have to do across their screen. Clicking is clumsy, hot keys are smooth.
"But this game isn't about being smooth shanky it's about knowledge and blah blah".... Right re tard, every game is about knowledge, but assuming you have the knowledge you need, then the next proper step is to gain any edge you can over your opponent. I'm saying that edge is hot keys, which all of you who don't use are trying to tell me it makes little to no difference. You're high as ****.
Approach - Q, Orbit - W, Keep Distance - E, Target - Alt, Look at - Space, Drones attack/return - D/F
High modules 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Over heat high Alt 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Mids, Naga mouse 1-6. Lows 7-12, Overheat - Alt....

Boom! You just got better at this game. Take them out, use them, get comfortable with them. Add more as you get comfortable with them. Realize they are everything but twitchy, navigating your mouse through every action you take is nothing but twitchy and sloppy feeling.

I may not have the knowledge to win a fight yet and I'm sure 99% of people would beat me. The information in this game isn't changing though, and I keep learning. What are you learning? If it is nothing, then I will catch up to what you know and I will have the advantage with smooth precise and fast actions.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-07-28 22:36:37 UTC
3700 dudes in local/

Really damn interesting
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#80 - 2013-07-28 22:43:26 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
I'm saying that edge is hot keys, which all of you who don't use are trying to tell me it makes little to no difference.
…and the reason is because they know how the game works and why the added speed you think matters actually doesn't. They have also tried it, and you have not.

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Realize they are everything but twitchy, navigating your mouse through every action you take is nothing but twitchy and sloppy feeling.
Actually, both are about as twitchy since it's the timing that matters, not the speed. You have plenty of time to line up your mouse — that part is never really an issue. Navigation, in particular, is far better done with the mouse than with any of the pre-made positioning commands..

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The information in this game isn't changing though, and I keep learning.
Apparently not, with the kind of deaf-ear attitude you've chosen to adopt to sound advice.