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Why "high sec bears" don't go to null

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#161 - 2013-07-30 11:30:44 UTC
Cloaky strat cruiser usually tells null peeps you eathier are a neutral alt of a 00 alliance fitted with a cyno., 2 they dont feel like chaseing you around because you will just run away. and hide.

3. you didnt bring the right bling to the playground.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#162 - 2013-07-30 12:05:34 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Dominara Shadowfey wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.


Er nullsec is 15 jumps from Jita and less to other high sec and even less to low sec stations, why are you going 38 jumps (78 round trip)!?

Null-bears live in deep null sec.


Why did I hear an Australian accent when I read that? Do you know your ship "the crocodile hunter"?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#163 - 2013-07-30 13:34:58 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
Cloaky strat cruiser usually tells null peeps you eathier are a neutral alt of a 00 alliance fitted with a cyno., 2 they dont feel like chaseing you around because you will just run away. and hide.

3. you didnt bring the right bling to the playground.

Cyno in Pandemic Legion. After they check with their no less than twelve, twelve Black Legion spies.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2013-07-30 14:46:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Dominara Shadowfey wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.


Er nullsec is 15 jumps from Jita and less to other high sec and even less to low sec stations, why are you going 38 jumps (78 round trip)!?

Null-bears live in deep null sec.


Why did I hear an Australian accent when I read that? Do you know your ship "the crocodile hunter"?

cus I'm an aussie :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#165 - 2013-07-30 15:58:36 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Cloaky strat cruiser usually tells null peeps you eathier are a neutral alt of a 00 alliance fitted with a cyno., 2 they dont feel like chaseing you around because you will just run away. and hide.

3. you didnt bring the right bling to the playground.

Cyno in Pandemic Legion. After they check with their no less than twelve, twelve Black Legion spies.


yeah, cause you know every alliance has spies, even gooniebears :).
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#166 - 2013-07-30 16:16:39 UTC
you have to be relevant to be spied on

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#167 - 2013-07-30 16:18:36 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
The people you call sheep win because they are smart enough to fly with friends.


Derp.

Some people enjoy flying solo because it's ******* sick. People who excessively care about KB's have to fly with friends so they look cool.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#168 - 2013-07-30 16:21:20 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
That is not the issue. The issue is there is no incentive to travel out there due to lack of ability to fit, repair, reship and rearm. As stated earlier, nullsec is constant bagging high seccers for being too scared to go to null. My suggestion was rather than fear it has more to do with those problems.

If you are unable to contribute but would rather derail the thread with stupid, go ahead.


uh stations exist in nullsec

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#169 - 2013-07-30 16:22:55 UTC
"hisec bears, the most risk averse players in the game, don't go to nullsec because there's too little risk there"

this is what 'infinity zioma' seems to believe

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#170 - 2013-07-30 22:31:13 UTC
Andski wrote:
"hisec bears, the most risk averse players in the game, don't go to nullsec because there's too little risk there"

this is what 'infinity zioma' seems to believe



I'm confused

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#171 - 2013-07-31 04:45:58 UTC
Andski wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
That is not the issue. The issue is there is no incentive to travel out there due to lack of ability to fit, repair, reship and rearm. As stated earlier, nullsec is constant bagging high seccers for being too scared to go to null. My suggestion was rather than fear it has more to do with those problems.

If you are unable to contribute but would rather derail the thread with stupid, go ahead.


uh stations exist in nullsec


In additon to stations, there is NOTHING stopping hi-sec players from doing what I and others do: Using a Carrier as a mobil cloak-capable logistics base (hell, my "Invader" carrer has a hull rep on lol). The idea that hi sec players don't go to null because of easily solvable logistical problems isn't just wrong, it's a lie.

I like to tell the story about how I used to work in a jail and watched inmates do all these crazy innovative things like grilled cheese sandwhichs made with clothing irons or coffee re-warmes made from wire and a broken light bulb or how imates would crush up aspirin and such, mix it with tabbaco , smoke it and get high etc etc. Yet the same people can't figure out how to not go to jail in the 1st place and tend to come back over and over and over again.

People who WANT to do something find a way to do it. It's no different than teenage kids who can't pass a math test but can recite the words to a Justin Bieber song backwards in russian( a language they never learned) while hanging upside down on a tree branch.

Hi-sec people don't go to null because most of them can't stand the idea of any loss, can't stand the idea of having to cooperate with other people (this is, consequently why high sec, home to more than 3/4ths of EVE characters, can't find a way to do so much as vote for CSM), and don't like the idea of putting effort into a video game when that same game lets you play nearly effortlessly in the exact same space their characters were "born" in. It is truly as simple as that.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#172 - 2013-07-31 05:26:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
rant rant rant get an alt with a carrier and it's easy


An alt with a carrier is your simple solution? Are you even reading your own words? The fact that you think you need a carrier for logistics speaks volumes.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#173 - 2013-07-31 05:34:36 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
rant rant rant get an alt with a carrier and it's easy


An alt with a carrier is your simple solution? Are you even reading your own words? The fact that you think you need a carrier for logistics speaks volumes.


What in the world makes you think this is some insurmountable goal? I had a carrier within a year of playing. It wasn't a well skilled carrier but it was enough to shuffle stuff around.

Hell most incursion ships cost more than my carrier, and I dare say a fair few L4 mission running ships cost waaaaay more than my carrier.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#174 - 2013-07-31 05:38:59 UTC
I mean what the hell are you pubbies doing with the vast stockpiles of isk you are building up? Diving into it like scrooge mcduck? Hoping that CCP inserts god rats into the belts so you can get a Thors modified adaptive invulnerability field so you can tank the same **** you could tank with T2 mods?

My tolerance for making isk in this game is almost famously non existent, I've got something like ... 300 million liquid at the moment, yet I can still work up the urge to plex my alt and buy a carrier. The ability to shift all of my crap across new eden in less than a day without having to yank all the rigs out and trust some crappy freighter service is worth it's weight in gold.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2013-07-31 05:45:01 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
The ability to shift all of my crap across new eden in less than a day without having to yank all the rigs out and trust some crappy freighter service is worth it's weight in gold.

I can't wait until my carrier alt is done.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#176 - 2013-07-31 05:50:16 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
rant rant rant get an alt with a carrier and it's easy


An alt with a carrier is your simple solution? Are you even reading your own words? The fact that you think you need a carrier for logistics speaks volumes.


What in the world makes you think this is some insurmountable goal? I had a carrier within a year of playing. It wasn't a well skilled carrier but it was enough to shuffle stuff around.

Hell most incursion ships cost more than my carrier, and I dare say a fair few L4 mission running ships cost waaaaay more than my carrier.


I don't think it's insurmountable at all and have done similar myself. But I certainly wouldn't characterise it as an easy thing for the average high sec player. Which is the point of the thread (I think).

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#177 - 2013-07-31 05:52:51 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
The ability to shift all of my crap across new eden in less than a day without having to yank all the rigs out and trust some crappy freighter service is worth it's weight in gold.

I can't wait until my carrier alt is done.

A JDC V carrier is ... like magic. Really far-jumping magic.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#178 - 2013-07-31 06:00:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
The ability to shift all of my crap across new eden in less than a day without having to yank all the rigs out and trust some crappy freighter service is worth it's weight in gold.

I can't wait until my carrier alt is done.

A JDC V carrier is ... like magic. Really far-jumping magic.

Yeah Im loving null now. I'm going to get a carrier to make it funner.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#179 - 2013-07-31 06:35:45 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I mean what the hell are you pubbies doing with the vast stockpiles of isk you are building up? Diving into it like scrooge mcduck? Hoping that CCP inserts god rats into the belts so you can get a Thors modified adaptive invulnerability field so you can tank the same **** you could tank with T2 mods?

My tolerance for making isk in this game is almost famously non existent, I've got something like ... 300 million liquid at the moment, yet I can still work up the urge to plex my alt and buy a carrier. The ability to shift all of my crap across new eden in less than a day without having to yank all the rigs out and trust some crappy freighter service is worth it's weight in gold.




I actually agree with the goon on this one.

The ISK-hoarding escapes me. For a time there was an Eve add that showed mining, killing rats, and overlayed on the screen was a wallet ticking ever higher. Sometimes I wonder if this is what attracted people to the game who think that the higher the ISK, the bigger the win.

Not like anybody should be told how to play, but it does get irritating dealing with players whose first and last thought is about how much ISK/hr any activity is. I wonder if new players come into the game like this or if they pick it up somewhere, and if the latter, how and from where?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#180 - 2013-07-31 06:46:02 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Not like anybody should be told how to play, but it does get irritating dealing with players whose first and last thought is about how much ISK/hr any activity is. I wonder if new players come into the game like this or if they pick it up somewhere, and if the latter, how and from where?



It's got to be a mindset. Keeping up with the Joneses or something. I don't care about the ISK/hr of any activity that I do. I care if I'm enjoying myself, and keeping enough in my wallet to keep enjoying myself. Some people may enjoy themselves by building a fat wallet that they never spend on anything. But I think many more are just chasing isk because it's the only activity they've learned.