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Why "high sec bears" don't go to null

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#61 - 2013-07-27 17:00:03 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.



Never heard of NPC 0.0? Shocked

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2013-07-27 17:03:08 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.



Never heard of NPC 0.0? Shocked


Yea but its not Sov Null. Sov Null carebear people need killing not NPC Null.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#63 - 2013-07-27 17:05:53 UTC
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Yea but its not Sov Null. Sov Null carebear people need killing not NPC Null.


What people? You found an Oracle. In what I can only assume must have taken you hours.

Further, if he wanted to try and rat with you in local, then he's not the kind of cowardly nullbear you were going after in the first place.

This entire thread is just you being a fool. False assumptions, self contradictions, and a shield tanked Proteus.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#64 - 2013-07-27 17:29:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Yea but its not Sov Null. Sov Null carebear people need killing not NPC Null.

What people? You found an Oracle. In what I can only assume must have taken you hours.

Further, if he wanted to try and rat with you in local, then he's not the kind of cowardly nullbear you were going after in the first place.

This entire thread is just you being a fool. False assumptions, self contradictions, and a shield tanked Proteus.

Now about that shield-tanked proteus...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#65 - 2013-07-27 17:42:29 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.



Never heard of NPC 0.0? Shocked


Yea but its not Sov Null. Sov Null carebear people need killing not NPC Null.


One of your issues is the distance you have to go. If you live in npc 0.0, you have sov bears all around....

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#66 - 2013-07-27 17:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Quote:

This is a long post which says nothing. My post was not about demanding something. It was a suggestion of a reason something doesnt occur. Also I didnt fail I found a solution, an alt with cargo for consumables and remote reppers. And Im still there.



lol, you found a solution AFTER a couple of 70+ round trips, rather than putting a bit of thought into it BEFORE hand?

That's the point, you dind't do it before hand because somehow you expected to be able to do it solo. This displays a lack of game knowledge. It would be like me complaining that I can't use my c6 wormhoel capital fleet in empire.......

And if you think you aren't demanding anthing, you are as good as lying to yourself as you are lying to us.

You did illustrate why high sec people don't go to null. A lack of understanding of the game, entitlement (wahh I should be able to go into null solo and uscceed), and inability to plan ahead + an unwillingness to put in any effort for one's own success. The reason why high sec is so populated (and themepark games like wow are more popular than sandbox games like EVE)is that the average game player can't figure out things for themselves and needs to be hand held.

Thus, the only thing that will get more high sec people into null is more hand holding. No thinaks, let them bear in the peaceof high sec, leave null, low and wormholes for the game players who want a challenge and aren't deathly affraid of losing pixels (or exerting effort).
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#67 - 2013-07-27 18:11:34 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
You did illustrate why high sec people don't go to null. A lack of understanding of the game, entitlement (wahh I should be able to go into null solo and uscceed), and inability to plan ahead + an unwillingness to put in any effort for one's own success. The reason why high sec is so populated (and themepark games like wow are more popular than sandbox games like EVE)is that the average game player can't figure out things for themselves and needs to be hand held.

Thus, the only thing that will get more high sec people into null is more hand holding. No thinaks, let them bear in the peaceof high sec, leave null, low and wormholes for the game players who want a challenge and aren't deathly affraid of losing pixels (or exerting effort).

But highsec has gankers....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#68 - 2013-07-27 19:20:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I stopped reading after I saw "shield tanked Proteus".

I can shield tank a Vindicator to and still be very good with it.

Any problems with that?


Did I say I did?

Or did you post a thread about how nullsec is unbalanced because you can't just solo whomever you please in a shield tanked Proteus and whine about having to go 78 jumps or some such for ammo and reps?


Then what's the problem with a shield tanked Proteus?

And no, i'm not the guy you are talking about that created that topic.

I'm nowhere close to 0.0 space. So why would i whine about 0.0 space then?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#69 - 2013-07-27 19:27:43 UTC
Quote:
Then what's the problem with a shield tanked Proteus?

And no, i'm not the guy you are talking about that created that topic.

I'm nowhere close to 0.0 space. So why would i whine about 0.0 space then?


My point was "Was I even talking to you?"

Vindi is a different situation. A huge difference. It doesn't have armor resistance subsystems for one. The only thing the vindi is locked into with it's hull bonus is the use of Hybrid guns. It has webs, it has blasters, together they dunk on whatever you point it at.

Proteus is a completely different animal, especially shield tanked. (that being, a Loki is beyond question the better choice)

So, I'd ask you then, why do you even care?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-07-27 20:31:55 UTC
NightmareX wrote:


Then what's the problem with a shield tanked Proteus?



Giving up the Proteus's natural god tank for an ASB is kinda ........well, bad.
Yaturi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-07-27 20:52:37 UTC
Quote:
Proteus is a completely different animal


No, they both gank. Its just that asb proteus doesn't expend cap for defense, leaving slots for damage and utility

Theres only so many ways you can fit a vindicator and still have its prowess
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#72 - 2013-07-27 21:07:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Then what's the problem with a shield tanked Proteus?

And no, i'm not the guy you are talking about that created that topic.

I'm nowhere close to 0.0 space. So why would i whine about 0.0 space then?


My point was "Was I even talking to you?"


You created a topic that is public to everyone. What did you expect?

Everyone is free to write here.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2013-07-27 21:50:40 UTC
"I flew 70 jumps in my shield proteus and nearly died solo to a ratting Oracle" is not something I would be drawing attention to in your position.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#74 - 2013-07-27 21:53:34 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Then what's the problem with a shield tanked Proteus?

And no, i'm not the guy you are talking about that created that topic.

I'm nowhere close to 0.0 space. So why would i whine about 0.0 space then?


My point was "Was I even talking to you?"


You created a topic that is public to everyone. What did you expect?

Everyone is free to write here.


Do you seriously think I created this thread? Yeesh.

Yaturi wrote:
Quote:
Proteus is a completely different animal


No, they both gank. Its just that asb proteus doesn't expend cap for defense, leaving slots for damage and utility

Theres only so many ways you can fit a vindicator and still have its prowess


"they both gank", yeah, thanks for that, I had no idea the Proteus had guns on it. What I'm referring to is the uber armor tank on the Proteus. In comparison, the Vindi has no built in bonus to a specific tank type.

So, basically, in exchange for what? 45 more dps? You gut the fit's tank by putting freaking shields on it. Pretty sure double the EHP is worth a bit less dps, just sayin'. Moreso that the OP would not have had to run 30+ jumps to a station to get reps, had she used an armor fit. Even better if you intend to engage an Oracle in a shield fit without bonuses and only one hardener.

This is easy stuff people. No need to come out of the woodworks to defend the special snowflake fit. Call it bad, give her a fix for it (that being, use a Loki or armor fit your Proteus), and move on.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#75 - 2013-07-27 22:46:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Do you seriously think I created this thread? Yeesh.

Sorry, i did read wrong on your name and the op's name.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#76 - 2013-07-27 22:53:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
You did illustrate why high sec people don't go to null. A lack of understanding of the game, entitlement (wahh I should be able to go into null solo and uscceed), and inability to plan ahead + an unwillingness to put in any effort for one's own success. The reason why high sec is so populated (and themepark games like wow are more popular than sandbox games like EVE)is that the average game player can't figure out things for themselves and needs to be hand held.

Thus, the only thing that will get more high sec people into null is more hand holding. No thinaks, let them bear in the peaceof high sec, leave null, low and wormholes for the game players who want a challenge and aren't deathly affraid of losing pixels (or exerting effort).


Except that she DID go and she DID succeed, dubious fit or not.

Oh, and don't forget to dock up in a panic when you see a neutral in local. That always cracks me up when you consider the amount of whining you hear about "risk averse highsec bears".

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-07-27 23:22:27 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Giving up the Proteus's natural god tank for an ASB is kinda ........well, bad.


^ this is one example of the real reason nobody goes to null, except in an alliance. If you go out there solo, it's you versus the blue donut. The above comment is just one of many that really has nothing to do with the original post. It was a post about the logistics of flying around in null, not a request for fitting advice. But, yet, it works, because if they can just discourage you over and over, if they can make it seem insurmountable without "friends", then we'll all just stay in empire until we're ready to kiss someone's ass out in sovereign null.

It's classic "double binds". If you go out to null on your own, you are doing it wrong because of bad fitting, just join alliance, NPC null. If you stay in empire, you are doing it wrong because of carebear, teh pvp, ISK.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2013-07-27 23:26:19 UTC
Lol you know nothing.

I'd like lowsec, just with bigger sharks in the water.
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#79 - 2013-07-27 23:32:17 UTC
Hi - hi sec bear here...

Why don't I go to null - because I can't make ISK selling stuff to null sec care-bears.

I can't dock in their stations, don't want to join them because 3am CTA is not going to be a part of my life - don't want to rat cos I'm an industrialist - can't mine the moons and need to make isk because I'm been ganked all the time. (Don't mind that at all either)

Risk adverse - nah - I have no problem about risk, but ISK losing - THAT I'm adverse to

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#80 - 2013-07-27 23:41:13 UTC
Quote:

Except that she DID go and she DID succeed, dubious fit or not.


I don't remember menting her fit.

And I don't know how you can call "going to null sec unprepared and getting into a fight with a paper thin ratting ship that costs a fraction of a Proteus and almost losing " a -success- LOL.


Quote:


Oh, and don't forget to dock up in a panic when you see a neutral in local. That always cracks me up when you consider the amount of whining you hear about "risk averse highsec bears".


Many of those nullbears are highsec players who'se corp rented ratting space. You can see many adds for such in the recruitment forum here and in the iname recruitment ads.

Even still, it is a fact that null is more dangerous. Magical space cops don't come help you if you get caught in null where as tanking enough to survive a gank for a few seconds is all you have to do in high sec.