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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#41 - 2013-07-27 11:43:24 UTC
I stopped reading after I saw "shield tanked Proteus".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-07-27 12:08:44 UTC
Just because somebody has an imagination and doesn't use battleclinic fits like every other noob doesn't make them bad.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-07-27 12:09:41 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Lee Hekard wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Lee Hekard wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
I'm not sure what this thread is about.


Same.

But on the topic of Nullsec (even though it may be off topic for the thread), I think that Local plays a large part in why 'good' PVP is hard to come by. Everyone just docks / POS's up. WH space has a much more healthy environment for what it is designed to be compared to Nullsec. Fundamentally, Nullsec mechanics are treated very much like Highsec mechnics except you can use bubbles. If a ship enters one of these 'lawless' systems then you immediately know via Local and simply dock up. Having lived in Null for a number of months on previous toons I never really felt that much under threat. But when I lived in WH space for a few months it was much more the 'EVE' experience as it was meant to be. Nullsec is easy, sorry but it is.

Somebody is mad that miners don't just sit there and wait to be ganked...


Its not about wanting ppl to just sit there. In WH space a mining fleet with security escort can be attacked by an organized force, the absence of local offers this chance. But in Null as soon as a neut pops up on local everyone scatters like cockroaches back to their POS's and nothing happens for a few hours. Is that really what EVE is about?

Sure it is. They go for sov because it provides them with higher levels of security. If local was removed, null industry would crash as it would be considerably less appealing (and its really not that appealing as it is). It wouldn't provide any "gudfites" it would simply make targeting half damaged ratters or miners easier to gank.

Tricks to cloak and move your probes, use D-scan to get a rough location then instant probe an enemy mean that you'd need to be D-scanning every 5 seconds to have a chance of seeing the probes pop up to warn you there's someone about. WH space is riskier due to the nature of local, but then the rewards are much better. WH space offers considerably better isk rewards than null and is a shorter safer trip to regular space most of the time (you usually don't have to take 40 wormholes through camps to get to high).

I think changes like that to null would just make null as empty as WH space. Sure you'd have your hardcore groups sticking to it, but most of it would just be the odd player here and there.

The issue is not local its what I raised. No ammo, fitting, repair, market. That would get people out there.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#44 - 2013-07-27 12:13:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Diesel47 wrote:
Just because somebody has an imagination and doesn't use battleclinic fits like every other noob doesn't make them bad.




Well, talk about your obfuscation. In one single sentence you managed to assume that I used battleclinic (I don't), and that I assume that anyone who doesn't use battleclinic (which I don't use myself), is a noob (which I didn't say).

So, what the hell was your point again? Because you sound very butthurt about something.

[Edit: Oh, and this:

Quote:

The issue is not local its what I raised. No ammo, fitting, repair, market. That would get people out there.


Doesn't work for lowsec.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-07-27 12:17:52 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
Nice read. But i doubt you was seeking PvP. And if you used a shield tanked Proteus, be glad you did not find PvP, just a bear in a Oracle. Well, if you admit you was looking for a gank, there might be people telling you that it's better to use a Loki. But hehe, since you wanted PvP, i think you don't need such advices lol. Lol

Lol. Love 'experts'.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#46 - 2013-07-27 12:27:44 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Nice read. But i doubt you was seeking PvP. And if you used a shield tanked Proteus, be glad you did not find PvP, just a bear in a Oracle. Well, if you admit you was looking for a gank, there might be people telling you that it's better to use a Loki. But hehe, since you wanted PvP, i think you don't need such advices lol. Lol

Lol. Love 'experts'.


Well, the fact of the matter is, you'd be better off with a Cloaki. Vastly better in that situation.

For starters, it actually has a shield tank subsystem, and a damn good one too. It's also got capless guns, so one doesn't have to worry about burning your capacitor while shooting.

Yes, you lose out on a bit of that max blaster dps. But it's still the better ship for that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lavititcus
Dark Nexxus
S0ns Of Anarchy
#47 - 2013-07-27 12:35:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lavititcus
I believe the general consensus here is "shield Proteus=fail Proteus". Stop defending it. Don't stop flying it by any means, but stop trying to justify it. The dps may be slightly higher and may be faster than the armor tanked (read design intent) one, but at least the armor fitted Proteus doesn't waste a subsystem slot, it utilizes it. The shield tanked Proteus is a novel idea, but a complete waste of time for anyone who's trained any skills that has anything to do with actually flying one. Any ship OTHER than a T3, and I would not have said anything. But with the T3 line, and with the way defensive subsystems actually work, flying it like you do is going to turn it into a wreck.
I know you won't actually listen.
You will continue to defend your idea, saying we aren't "thinking outside of the box" enough.
A shield tank Proteus is a dead Proteus. Fly a Loki, if you want to trade tanks. But, you're the kind of person to fit the armor sub, and shield tank it...
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-07-27 12:47:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Manfred Hideous
Malcanis wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.


Excellent, you've now seen for yourself why so many of us are keen to see some kind of remotely balanced situation between hi-sec and 0.0 rather than the current situation where there no reason whatsoever to be in sov 0.0 unless you're sitting on a titan waiting to bridge in.


I'd love to see the four empires separated from each other with some null and low in between. Maybe one or two high sec connections for trade and easy ganks.

Oh and 30sec delayed local.

A man can dream, right?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-07-27 12:49:07 UTC
Lavititcus wrote:
I believe the general consensus here is "shield Proteus=fail Proteus". Stop defending it. Don't stop flying it by any means, but stop trying to justify it. The dps may be slightly higher and may be faster than the armor tanked (read design intent) one, but at least the armor fitted Proteus doesn't waste a subsystem slot, it utilizes it. The shield tanked Proteus is a novel idea, but a complete waste of time for anyone who's trained any skills that has anything to do with actually flying one. Any ship OTHER than a T3, and I would not have said anything. But with the T3 line, and with the way defensive subsystems actually work, flying it like you do is going to turn it into a wreck.
I know you won't actually listen.
You will continue to defend your idea, saying we aren't "thinking outside of the box" enough.
A shield tank Proteus is a dead Proteus. Fly a Loki, if you want to trade tanks. But, you're the kind of person to fit the armor sub, and shield tank it...

Show me a Cov Loki that will give me 711 dps and A 1500 burst tank and I might.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#50 - 2013-07-27 12:51:49 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.


The funny thing is that in every post by someone like this (someone with an obvious bias), you can see what their problem is.

Lets examine the logical failures here:

-How told you you were entitled to go to null sec and kill people deep in player controlled space with combat or logistical support NO support? I mean it's so really hard to get a friend (or, if you don't like other people, make an alt account) that that could have come with you in a tech 1 ship with armor and hull reps that you could have logged out in some empty system that would then become your logistical base?

-if you don't want to make the effort to propery support you long range probe into player space, where are you staying in "shallow" waters aka null sec with 10 jumps of low. A cursory look at the star map 2 minutes ago showed me no less than 9 actvie zones withing 10 jumps of Amarr low sec for example.

-Who told you more high sec people in null sec would somehow be a good thing? Since alliances started renting space, many high sec corps already operate in null, and those players tend to be disasters of whining and BS. People who don't fight for thier space don't appreciate it. Their is a place for people with high sec personality types, it's called HIGH SEC (in spansih, it's called "el WoW-o).'

-Who told you null sec was supposed to be solo friendly? The places for solo people are low level wormhoes, low sec, npc null sec and high sec. Except for low level wormholes, all the above mentioned places have NPC STATIONS where anyone can dock. Null Sec is one of only 2 places in EVE for large scale organized player activity (the other being high end wormholes). You can "solo/small gang" there if you are smart (hell, i do invasive "PVE raids into null sec with a carrier , a cyno toon and a ratting machariel), but it's not built for that.

The funny thing is that you went to null and got a fight, which according to damn near every other high sec poster doesn't happen because of blue donuts and such.

Null sec is working fine, it's the unprepared, unwilling to put in effort, uncreative attitude of peopel who go there, get whooped, then come back complaining. You failed because you didn't prepare. Like when you post about afk cloaking, you didn't think this one through.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-07-27 13:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.


The funny thing is that in every post by someone like this (someone with an obvious bias), you can see what their problem is.

Lets examine the logical failures here:

-How told you you were entitled to go to null sec and kill people deep in player controlled space with combat or logistical support NO support? I mean it's so really hard to get a friend (or, if you don't like other people, make an alt account) that that could have come with you in a tech 1 ship with armor and hull reps that you could have logged out in some empty system that would then become your logistical base?

-if you don't want to make the effort to propery support you long range probe into player space, where are you staying in "shallow" waters aka null sec with 10 jumps of low. A cursory look at the star map 2 minutes ago showed me no less than 9 actvie zones withing 10 jumps of Amarr low sec for example.

-Who told you more high sec people in null sec would somehow be a good thing? Since alliances started renting space, many high sec corps already operate in null, and those players tend to be disasters of whining and BS. People who don't fight for thier space don't appreciate it. Their is a place for people with high sec personality types, it's called HIGH SEC (in spansih, it's called "el WoW-o).'

-Who told you null sec was supposed to be solo friendly? The places for solo people are low level wormhoes, low sec, npc null sec and high sec. Except for low level wormholes, all the above mentioned places have NPC STATIONS where anyone can dock. Null Sec is one of only 2 places in EVE for large scale organized player activity (the other being high end wormholes). You can "solo/small gang" there if you are smart (hell, i do invasive "PVE raids into null sec with a carrier , a cyno toon and a ratting machariel), but it's not built for that.

The funny thing is that you went to null and got a fight, which according to damn near every other high sec poster doesn't happen because of blue donuts and such.

Null sec is working fine, it's the unprepared, unwilling to put in effort, uncreative attitude of peopel who go there, get whooped, then come back complaining. You failed because you didn't prepare. Like when you post about afk cloaking, you didn't think this one through.

This is a long post which says nothing. My post was not about demanding something. It was a suggestion of a reason something doesnt occur. Also I didnt fail I found a solution, an alt with cargo for consumables and remote reppers. And Im still there.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-07-27 13:11:27 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.


The funny thing is that in every post by someone like this (someone with an obvious bias), you can see what their problem is.

Lets examine the logical failures here:

-How told you you were entitled to go to null sec and kill people deep in player controlled space with combat or logistical support NO support? I mean it's so really hard to get a friend (or, if you don't like other people, make an alt account) that that could have come with you in a tech 1 ship with armor and hull reps that you could have logged out in some empty system that would then become your logistical base?

-if you don't want to make the effort to propery support you long range probe into player space, where are you staying in "shallow" waters aka null sec with 10 jumps of low. A cursory look at the star map 2 minutes ago showed me no less than 9 actvie zones withing 10 jumps of Amarr low sec for example.

-Who told you more high sec people in null sec would somehow be a good thing? Since alliances started renting space, many high sec corps already operate in null, and those players tend to be disasters of whining and BS. People who don't fight for thier space don't appreciate it. Their is a place for people with high sec personality types, it's called HIGH SEC (in spansih, it's called "el WoW-o).'

-Who told you null sec was supposed to be solo friendly? The places for solo people are low level wormhoes, low sec, npc null sec and high sec. Except for low level wormholes, all the above mentioned places have NPC STATIONS where anyone can dock. Null Sec is one of only 2 places in EVE for large scale organized player activity (the other being high end wormholes). You can "solo/small gang" there if you are smart (hell, i do invasive "PVE raids into null sec with a carrier , a cyno toon and a ratting machariel), but it's not built for that.

The funny thing is that you went to null and got a fight, which according to damn near every other high sec poster doesn't happen because of blue donuts and such.

Null sec is working fine, it's the unprepared, unwilling to put in effort, uncreative attitude of peopel who go there, get whooped, then come back complaining. You failed because you didn't prepare. Like when you post about afk cloaking, you didn't think this one through.

This is a long post which says nothing. My post was not about demanding something. It was a suggestion of a reason something doesnt occur. Also I didnt fail I found a solution, an alt with cargo for consumables and remote reppers. And Im still there.



Have you ever tried a bomber? They're much cheaper and pack a huge wallop for their size. I've taken ratting faction fit nighthawks with them. The trick is to fly a bomber with a damage bonus that
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-07-27 14:44:57 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.

If you want PvP, don't go into sov space - go into NPC null, Syndicate for example is full of PvP opportunities in which you dont jave to join the sheep.

Also, XLASB on Proteus? What the f*ck?

Lol XLSB burst tank for 1200, lows free gives 670 DPS and 2000ms and its covert ops. Aligns fast. If I cant kill him before I run out of charges Ill be tackled by his mates anyway. Im in a hub system with bunch of people in local.

Properly fit Proteus can easily achieve that much sustained active armor tank, similar speeds, and just as great (if not better) DPS. Take advantage of subsystems and rigs.

Anyways, what I said still stands - non-sov NPC space (Syndicate might be best for you) is full to the brim with solo, microgang, and small gang PvP opportunities.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#54 - 2013-07-27 15:13:08 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.


Excellent, you've now seen for yourself why so many of us are keen to see some kind of remotely balanced situation between hi-sec and 0.0 rather than the current situation where there no reason whatsoever to be in sov 0.0 unless you're sitting on a titan waiting to bridge in.

It disturbs me that we agree on something :)


I'm told it's a common - if somewhat disconcerting - symptom of replacing assumptions with data.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-07-27 15:17:03 UTC
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I decided to take my Proteus out for a bit of pew pew in 0.0 space. So I chucked on cloak and nullifier and set course for a nullbear station system 38 jumps into 0.0 space.

Soon as I got there everyone docks up. So I go AFK for a while come back and kill someone who decided to rat in local with a neut in system. I'm not happy with my DPS due to nulli sub so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.

Few hours after arriving I spot an Oracle and engage him, being a high seccer with no skills I forgot to turn off my repeat on my XL ASB when I refit and cap out with him at 5% hull. Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.

He docks up, I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.

Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.

If you want PvP, don't go into sov space - go into NPC null, Syndicate for example is full of PvP opportunities in which you dont jave to join the sheep.

Also, XLASB on Proteus? What the f*ck?

Lol XLSB burst tank for 1200, lows free gives 670 DPS and 2000ms and its covert ops. Aligns fast. If I cant kill him before I run out of charges Ill be tackled by his mates anyway. Im in a hub system with bunch of people in local.

Properly fit Proteus can easily achieve that much sustained active armor tank, similar speeds, and just as great (if not better) DPS. Take advantage of subsystems and rigs.

Anyways, what I said still stands - non-sov NPC space (Syndicate might be best for you) is full to the brim with solo, microgang, and small gang PvP opportunities.

Do you have a fit for that covert proteus? I don't think its possible for it to get close to my damage. Overheated I get 711 dps 1487 boost from each charge. Tank cant be capped out. Its a better ship for what Im doing. Job specific fits are always better than cookie cutter fits. Cant afford to plink away at something with crap DPS with 15 of his friends in system.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2013-07-27 15:55:59 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I stopped reading after I saw "shield tanked Proteus".

I can shield tank a Vindicator to and still be very good with it.

Any problems with that?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#57 - 2013-07-27 16:06:53 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I stopped reading after I saw "shield tanked Proteus".

I can shield tank a Vindicator to and still be very good with it.

Any problems with that?


Did I say I did?

Or did you post a thread about how nullsec is unbalanced because you can't just solo whomever you please in a shield tanked Proteus and whine about having to go 78 jumps or some such for ammo and reps?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-07-27 16:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I stopped reading after I saw "shield tanked Proteus".

I can shield tank a Vindicator to and still be very good with it.

Any problems with that?


Did I say I did?

Or did you post a thread about how nullsec is unbalanced because you can't just solo whomever you please in a shield tanked Proteus and whine about having to go 78 jumps or some such for ammo and reps?

I didn't say that at all. Soloed an Oracle. Just soloed a drake after DT no problems. Thread was about why people likely don't do what Im doing not that I cant do it or want anything changed.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#59 - 2013-07-27 16:38:38 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
quote]
I didn't say that at all. Soloed an Oracle. Just soloed a drake after DT no problems. Thread was about why people likely don't do what Im doing not that I cant do it or want anything changed.



Quote:
Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.


Is not "soloing an Oracle". Hell, you even said escape, so the fair assumption is that you ran. Hell, if he had to burn out his guns (which is unbelievably stupid) just for you to have a chance at it, then that should have tipped you off that your strategy might need reworking.

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I jump round trip 78 jumps back for reps.


Which illustrates what, precisely? That people who are too dumb to setup supply drops (or reps) find sov nullsec to be a pain in the ass? Not like there aren't plenty of people to fight in npc null where there are stations and ammo, oh but wait, you wanted to kill "nullbears" to prove some kind of half-assed point, wasn't that it?

I mean, when you have almost the entire thread telling you you're doing it wrong, you might take that into account. But no, you and your shield tanked Proteus are right, and everyone else telling you anything is wrong, isn't that how it works? Or are we just not innovative enough to shield tank a T3 without any shield subsystems?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-07-27 16:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
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I didn't say that at all. Soloed an Oracle. Just soloed a drake after DT no problems. Thread was about why people likely don't do what Im doing not that I cant do it or want anything changed.



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Luckily he burns his guns out and I escape with 40% hull.


Is not "soloing an Oracle". Hell, you even said escape, so the fair assumption is that you ran. Hell, if he had to burn out his guns (which is unbelievably stupid) just for you to have a chance at it

Lol. I had him into hull and was at full shields. However I had forgotten to turn off autorepeat on my ASB so it capped me out and switched my hardner and guns off, even so I still managed to get him to 5% hull when I warped out.

Had I not left my ASB on and capped out because of that I would have killed him with full shields.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)