Intergalactic Summit

They say geniuses think outside the box. She lives outside the box.

You've also thrown around plenty of ad hominem attacks yourself, including the day you started criticizing the Republic's attack on Colelie, some as precursors to the ad hominem attacks directed against yourself.



I think what he's trying to say is this...

The Bloody Hand are extremists. Their actions go far beyond what is reasonable. However, their reasons for acting are based in an emotion that is brought out by the way the Federation views and treats us as a people, an emotion that many feel, though are not crazy enough to act on in the way the Bloody Hand do. The Federation should look into what it is they're doing to cause this emotion, this stress, and try to remedy their part in it.

As for the Bloody Hand themselves, Ava's already stated my view.



I've spent enough time working for the Caldari to know you're not any better at this than any other government. Hell, I could simply point to Heth as an example.



Except when the Federation deems it inconvenient, you mean?

At times reading the thoughts of Matari on the IGS makes me wonder if any reach actually reach the maturity of adulthood and instead somehow manage to remain as angst-ridden teens. Because when I read sentiments like:

"I'm only a violent and hate filled person because the Amarr made me like this!"

"The Federation is trying to oppress our Tribal culture by offering the Matari people an open immigration policy and jobs!"

"How dare the Federation disrespect the Tribes by following their own laws and procedures! Let us invade them for this offense, even if it makes us hypocrites in not respecting what we in turn expect from them!"

Most telling however is:

"No one understands us Matari. I guess the only option to promote understanding and accord is to go forth and bomb some innocent civilians!"

At this point both the Republic government and society look like children lashing out violently at anything and everything they can get within reach with nothing more than trite excuses for their own irresponsibility and inability to hold themselves to account.

Except when the Federation deems it inconvenient, you mean?[/quote]

What, exactly, are you talking about.

I find it amusing how often these sorts of jabs are phrased as if this big, bad nameless Federation is treading Matari-identifying Gallente into the dirt. Do you honestly understand so little about the way the Federation works? Some thirty percent of Gallente identiy as Matari. Many of these people live on planets almost exclusively populated by Matari. Do you have any idea how much power these people have within the Federation? How much sway they have in determining the path that the Federal government goes down? You should come visit Sinq Liason some time, get out of the station, and go see how decisions are made.

I'm starting to wonder about the ill-treatment Republicans have been complaining about suffering at the hands of the Federation. How much of it is irritation that Matari-identifying Gallente - the people who you might think of as "yours", who belong in your tribes and your Republic - have chosen to live in the Federation and become Gallente?

On the contrary, we understand you better than you understand yourselves.

You don't even understand yourselves. How can you possibly think you understand anyone else?

Um, it's the Gallente Federation. We express concern when Quafe releases a new flavor. It's part of how we all manage (somehow) to live with one another. Expressing concerns lets you talk about them, and then work out solutions. Is it for everyone? Not in the least. But it works for us.



I think you're confusing us with the Amarr here...

Question and Statement #1:
What caused these people to just pack up and leave the Republic in the first place? To me it sounds things were pretty bad for them if they felt they had to leave. The tone I am getting from your statements implies that the Federation should have denied them entry and a place to live and work. In fact, you seem to imply that it would have been better for all involved if we had shut our borders and sent them back to the place they were trying to leave in the first place or shunt them off into the far reaches of null sec.

Generally, when someone is leaving a place to settle in another place it is because they are either being oppressed, persecuted, or dismissed by those in charge. If everyone is so concerned about the Minmatar living as Federation citizens, why not ask them instead of blowing up their factories in the name of an exiled leader who spoke against violence and looked for a peaceful solution to the problems at hand?

The hypocrisy of the Bloody Hand is appalling.

My second question for you sir, and any other Republican for that matter:
If, say for reasons, a large population from the Federation had moved into your territory, would you have allowed them to keep completely to their own ways or would you have asked that they at least observe some of the basic principles and laws of your Republic?

I dunno, they seem to be integrating pretty well, actually.

There are about as many Matari-identifying Gallente in the Federation as there are Matari in the Republic. In general, they have a better standard of living than Matari in the Republic. They have access to better education. For most of them, they were born in the Federation, as were their parents, as were their grandparents. That's a pretty significant pool of people who are very vested in helping new Matari immigrants integrate. You'd think that if this didn't work, there'd be more news pieces like the one that you point to, except these news pieces would talk about the terrible inter-tribal violence happening in the Federation.

What I would be worried about, if I were Sanmatar Shakor, is the number of Federation Matari who are wholesale being handed reasons to be angry with the Republic.

And no, Matari citizens of the Federation expressing concern isn't a problem. On the contrary, it's part of the solution.

tl;dr: We're special.