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Bribing CONCORD to weasel out of a War Dec.
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#21 - 2013-07-27 19:30:13 UTC
Petrified wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


3. You're asking for CONCORD to end a wardec and prevent it from being reopened. In what way is that not locking the gate?

Why should the aggressor be forced to accept an end to hostilities that they do not want? Some aggressors are implacable, or have a price you're unwilling to pay. If you can't force them to stop, why should CONCORD do it for you?

In what world do you get to say "uncle" and not have to pay the aggressor's chosen price?


For a period of time and not without significant cost for the length of it.


Again, why do you deserve to be able to unilaterally end a war started against you for a lower price than you can now?

You have the option to unilaterally end a war against you, at the price of your corp. Why should it be cheaper?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#22 - 2013-08-03 02:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrified
RubyPorto wrote:
Petrified wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


3. You're asking for CONCORD to end a wardec and prevent it from being reopened. In what way is that not locking the gate?

Why should the aggressor be forced to accept an end to hostilities that they do not want? Some aggressors are implacable, or have a price you're unwilling to pay. If you can't force them to stop, why should CONCORD do it for you?

In what world do you get to say "uncle" and not have to pay the aggressor's chosen price?


For a period of time and not without significant cost for the length of it.


Again, why do you deserve to be able to unilaterally end a war started against you for a lower price than you can now?

You have the option to unilaterally end a war against you, at the price of your corp. Why should it be cheaper?



Why should it not be cheaper? And, for that matter, why should it be so inexpensive to force someone to abandon their corp?

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RubysRhymes
#23 - 2013-08-03 03:16:41 UTC
Petrified wrote:
Why should it not be cheaper? And, for that matter, why should it be so inexpensive to force someone to abandon their corp?


The ISK price is currently around 1,599,800 ISK to create a new corp. 50m Wardec Fee, 1,599,800 ISK fee to invalidate that wardec...


A wardec does no such thing. In fact, there's no game mechanic that forces someone to abandon their corp.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#24 - 2013-08-03 03:23:00 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Why should it not be cheaper? And, for that matter, why should it be so inexpensive to force someone to abandon their corp?


The ISK price is currently around 1,599,800 ISK to create a new corp. 50m Wardec Fee, 1,599,800 ISK fee to invalidate that wardec...


A wardec does no such thing. In fact, there's no game mechanic that forces someone to abandon their corp.


Then there is little argument you present as to why CONCORD, who can be paid to allow you to war, cannot be paid more to end it.

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RubysRhymes
#25 - 2013-08-03 03:30:40 UTC
Petrified wrote:
Then there is little argument you present as to why CONCORD, who can be paid to allow you to war, cannot be paid more to end it.


Sure I do.

You already have multiple ways to invalidate or make ineffectual the war. Some cost ISK, some cost fighting, some cost inconvenience, and some cost pride.

Why should you be able to say uncle in a war without losing something of value?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#26 - 2013-08-03 03:33:12 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Then there is little argument you present as to why CONCORD, who can be paid to allow you to war, cannot be paid more to end it.


Sure I do.

You already have multiple ways to invalidate or make ineffectual the war. Some cost ISK, some cost fighting, some cost inconvenience, and some cost pride.

Why should you be able to say uncle in a war without losing something of value?



I was not aware that ISK has no value?

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RubysRhymes
#27 - 2013-08-03 03:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Petrified wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Then there is little argument you present as to why CONCORD, who can be paid to allow you to war, cannot be paid more to end it.


Sure I do.

You already have multiple ways to invalidate or make ineffectual the war. Some cost ISK, some cost fighting, some cost inconvenience, and some cost pride.

Why should you be able to say uncle in a war without losing something of value?



I was not aware that ISK has no value?


And thus there's the ISK cost to reform your corp sans war. 1,599,800 ISK.

Clearly ISK doesn't have a significant value to you, which is why your attacker isn't settling (for ISK), and why you want a magic solution where CONCORD only charges you ISK.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#28 - 2013-08-03 04:44:57 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Petrified wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Then there is little argument you present as to why CONCORD, who can be paid to allow you to war, cannot be paid more to end it.


Sure I do.

You already have multiple ways to invalidate or make ineffectual the war. Some cost ISK, some cost fighting, some cost inconvenience, and some cost pride.

Why should you be able to say uncle in a war without losing something of value?



I was not aware that ISK has no value?


And thus there's the ISK cost to reform your corp sans war. 1,599,800 ISK.

Clearly ISK doesn't have a significant value to you, which is why your attacker isn't settling (for ISK), and why you want a magic solution where CONCORD only charges you ISK.


It is no more or less magical than buying the right to war dec from CONCORD. If CONCORD sees fit to sell that right for a price, they can certainly see fit to retract it as well for a price.

Some war decs are not about obtaining isk from the target but ensuring you have a target. I suppose Gevlon Goblin is right in that it is best to be in an NPC corp in high sec. =)

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RubysRhymes
#29 - 2013-08-03 05:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Petrified wrote:
It is no more or less magical than buying the right to war dec from CONCORD. If CONCORD sees fit to sell that right for a price, they can certainly see fit to retract it as well for a price.


Why should the rich be immune to wardecs? Why should you be able to surrender a war without the consent of the people attacking you? Why should invalidating a wardec be cheaper than it already is?

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Some war decs are not about obtaining isk from the target but ensuring you have a target.


Correct, some war decs are not about obtaining ISK from the target. Some wars are about destroying a corp. Some wars are about impeding Nullsec to HS logistics. Some wars are for no reason at all. All are legitimate if they've paid the fee.

Why should you be able to surrender at a lower cost than you can now?
Current Price: Your Corp. Not even its name, as you can reform it with the same name and ticker, just the corp and a tiny blip on your character's employment history.

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I suppose Gevlon Goblin is right in that it is best to be in an NPC corp in high sec. =)


If you want to play an MMO as if it were a single player game, sure.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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