Ships & Modules

But that's not elitesmallgangpvp. It's set up to give similar numbers/strengths to each team. What would you say are the strengths of the damping tactics employed there, and how can they be translated into the real tranqility world?

If you want to discuss dampeners then better start a new thread so this can stay an Arazu thread.

You dont use a arazu when you want damps, a celestis does pretty much the same job for way less isk, yes you can fit a damp on it but if you do that is for utility, never the primary role 8and you give up cap or tank for it, i.e bad choice).

For any kind of armour gang or brawling leet you want a proteus as it simply is way way more tanky and way more usefull.

All the fits in this thread suck, bar the one from Ong, altho there are some things i would change:

I am not a fan of the no dcu tank and the fit lacks resitances to benefit from logis, and even if you fly in a alpha heavy environement, drop at least one nano for a DCU. I also wouldnt go for a scar, if you are in scram range (37km) you either are ****** (if lots is there) and a scram woulldnt help you or your anti support will blap it quickly. " long range points are very nie to have tho.

[Arazu, Pointer]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Salvager II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Equalish (a bit less) ehp, way better resitances, pretty equal cap, as usual 2 higslot up to choice (altho 1 sb is minimum id say). Whore gun is valid too.

Cure the lack of nanos with snakes, its probably one of the fastest ships in thegang anyways (unless you run with machs or tengus).

For alpha high evorenements id go with something like this

[Arazu, Shield Nano ichanged]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Salvager II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x4
Hornet EC-300 x4

Can drop both point to t2 if you are poor, but 107km is very nice, 86 isnt bad either but still in range of quite a few ships.

I feel that is just your opinion on the matter, damps can completely negate all damage while a shield buffer, while giving you more ehp leaves you far more open to being switched on and alphaed because of the enlarged sig of the already quite large (162m) base of the arazu.

Let's be realistic, 44k ehp with full links, siege mindlink and perfect skills isn't going to save you if you can't already save yourself by damping priority targets.

And a scram on a razu is invaluable when supporting a kiting fleet, you shut down any chasers that happen to be faster than your fleet and keep everyone safe from tackle.

Your razu fits cap out at 44k ehp with every boost imaginable, not sure where you get 60k from.

Sure you would bring a celestis as well and leave the arazu as a point machine if you had the choice, the fits I posted were on the assumption one celestis-based hull per gang.

And I wouldn't bring a celestis for damps, a Maulus does the job better since it's pretty hard to snipe at and also a lot cheaper.

Tsuk and whitehound, have you ever been in a gang with an arazu? Do you understand its role?

The role of an arazu is pointing and pointing only. If you want damps get a celestis. Celestises are better damping ship than arazus and don't need to use their mids for a point and scram. If you think a single damp will save you from being alpha'd it won't. If you're going to get alpha'd then you're fighting a very large gang which also means that you're probably in a large gang which means that you shouldn't be in an arazu (barring BLOPs but you don't drop BLOPs looking for a ~gudfite~).

The primary role of damps in a gang are for logi to increase lock time when swapping between targets rapidly such that you kill the target before the logi even locks it, or reducing its range so that it has to get closer and you can kill it. Damping long range ships is effective as well, but a secondary role.

I'm glad I could clear everything up for you guys.

It's all well to say "get a celestis" but sometimes you just don't have the people

the arazu has the fitting and bonus to damps and it can be effective performing in a multi-role capacity, obviously if you told me someone was bringing a celestis I would forget the damps.

Being the slowest so far I think is yours sure one of them. Anything from AB frigates to MWD BCs can slip out from under its point.

It isnt, however you could also just use a proteus if you fly armour.

Judge the fittings of others as terrible and fly yours anyway you like, but it is you who failed to hold the point. If you run out of cap or have gimped your speed makes no difference to the outcome of the failfit.