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Does anyone have a good up to date Arazu fit?

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-07-26 11:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Whitehound wrote:
[quote=Tsukino Stareine]
That said, I still do not like the idea of fitting 280m ISKs worth of faction gear onto a ship with only 8k eHP and no repair rate or shield recharge and then to kite within less than 20km range. I prefer to fight another day than to tell my mates that I lost the target and my ship.

I have also no idea why I would want to fit an AB onto it. It will be the ship that a target will likely try to kill first. Any target this slow that I could dampen out the damage will have lots of drones and I will only fail again. Honestly, your idea behind the second fitting sounds like it is better suited for a Combat Recon or, again, to use a Proteus.


Who said anything about 20km? Once again proved you don't know this ship. The boosted point range of the faction point is just under 80km and you should be aiming to be around 60-70km away, this ensures your threats are only limited to sniping ships which you can counter by damping. The scram is purely defensive, you NEVER want to be that close in an arazu if you can help it. If you're taking damage in the first arazu, you're doing it wrong.

The AB on the second arazu as the anti-kiting fit means you can speed tank a little bit combined with the low sig provided by no shields. If you're that worried about drones against a kiting fleet (lol) you can put smartbombs on it.
Whitehound
#22 - 2013-07-26 12:12:01 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Who said anything about 20km? Once again proved you don't know this ship. The boosted point range of the faction point is just under 80km and you should be aiming to be around 60-70km away, this ensures your threats are only limited to sniping ships which you can counter by damping. The scram is purely defensive, you NEVER want to be that close in an arazu if you can help it. If you're taking damage in the first arazu, you're doing it wrong.

The AB on the second arazu as the anti-kiting fit means you can speed tank a little bit combined with the low sig provided by no shields. If you're that worried about drones against a kiting fleet (lol) you can put smartbombs on it.

You are only proving my point. When you never want to be this close then why fit something worth 140m ISKs in the first place? It may make you feel good or save, but I still prefer cheap and reasonable over an expensive feeling.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-07-26 12:13:48 UTC
fine, then use a regular scram. It's far besides the point though
Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-07-26 14:59:45 UTC
Here's how a full-time Arazu pilot fits his ship: https://zkillboard.com/detail/31379899/

Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2013-07-26 15:25:23 UTC
Basically, for a kiting gang I prefer the Lachesis. It has an extra midslot, and is a bit faster which will help you stay alive longer. The Lach also applies a bit more DPS at range due to the ability to use heavy missiles and fit drone range augmentors, so the lach can basically kill tackle better than the Arazu since scrams + nanofleet typically = death.

Armor fleets and BLOPS fleets are where the Arazu shines, due to it's ability to armor tank and light covert cynos. Due to the armor tank, you can fit damps or more points/scrams depending on the situation. If you're going against a longer range gang, fit damps to make them have to come in closer or to damp our ECM/logi.

But if you're coming to this thread to find a fit, use Cameron's or Tsukino's.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-07-26 15:30:50 UTC
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
Here's how a full-time Arazu pilot fits his ship: https://zkillboard.com/detail/31379899/



erm, not quite sure what happened in that. The razu looked like it was fit for hot drop surprise but it met 3 sniping ships with no damps.

Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-07-26 18:51:25 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
Here's how a full-time Arazu pilot fits his ship: https://zkillboard.com/detail/31379899/


erm, not quite sure what happened in that. The razu looked like it was fit for hot drop surprise but it met 3 sniping ships with no damps.

Whatever. The point of the post is the fit. This is a pilot who flies Arazus regularly and has for many years. It's DNS, so obviously its fit for a drop. OP wants a fit, and I can't think of any pilot who flies them as much as this one.
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-07-26 20:18:03 UTC
Seems OP needs to further define the purpose of the fit. Otherwise people are just posting "whatever". All I can see is that she intends on using a long point. But for doing what?
Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2013-07-26 20:20:56 UTC
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Seems OP needs to further define the purpose of the fit. Otherwise people are just posting "whatever". All I can see is that she intends on using a long point. But for doing what?

Snorkeling.
Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#30 - 2013-07-26 23:16:47 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
White, you're out of your depth here, stop before you embarrass yourself any further.

You're trying to fit damage and tank on your arazu: that's not it's purpose.

You're a support ship that prevents kiting fleets from working in conjunction with other recons like the rapier and like all recons work best with skirmish links.

The one howitzer is most likely for km whoring.

Arazu job: point something at 80km and damp out snipers.

Nonsense. I usually do not judge the fittings of others, because I know that everyone has different goals, but two can play the game. He likely just used my fitting as a template and changed it for his needs and then trolls. I can just as easily say his fitting is bad and point out the weaknesses.


Im sorry but anyone that posts a fit that involves 2 cap mods a t2 ccc, an active tank that tanks 150 dps (ie can be solo'd by pretty much all t1 frigs), have a meta 4 point and not even have a covert ops cloak on it needs to htfu and not call troll on someone that calls them out on it. Your obviously a bad and should feel bad. Jesus all that thing needed was a few civilian modules and your golden.

Whitehound
#31 - 2013-07-26 23:56:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Ong wrote:
Im sorry ...

Do not be sorry. You just called yourself out. Nobody stops you from fitting more expensive gear, unless you need a cookie cutter for it. You still have not explained how you are going to hold point for more than 5 minutes. I am still curious what your excuse for this is. I believe I wrote one can take the launcher off and fit a cloak. You however fit yours without dampeners and then pride yourself with a bigger tank. You really are the cleverest here. Blink

All that cap that you see lets it fly with MWD, hold point, dampen and shoot its target fully cap stable, meaning, for as long as it takes.

And soloing with a single Howitzer and 4 Warrior IIs - I am out of words. You win and I bow before you. You are the better of us. I could not solo with that.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#32 - 2013-07-27 00:12:48 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Ong wrote:
Im sorry ...

Do not be sorry. You just called yourself out. Nobody stops you from fitting more expensive gear, unless you need a cookie cutter for it. You still have not explained how you are going to hold point for more than 5 minutes. I am still curious what your excuse for that is. I believe I wrote that one can take the launcher off and fit a cloak. You however fit yours without dampeners and then pride yourself with a bigger tank. You really are the cleverest here. Blink


You seem fixated on damps, I and most people that do :elitesmallgangpvp: have realised that damps are of absolutely no use outside of pointing and damping a solo pve'er and waiting on your gang mates to come gank them.

5 vs 30 and guess what you cant damp **** that is worth anything to the fight, having a buffer to b able to kyte away outside their dps, or for your logy to catch you is far more important then damping one of their bc's to like 30km lock range.

Typical gang comp for the arazu is itself, a rapier, a couple of nano hac's/cynabals/tier 3's and maybe a scimi. If your using it to catch/gank **** then tbh fit doesn't really matter. If your using it for actual non risk adverse pvp then you'll come up with a fit similar to mine.
Whitehound
#33 - 2013-07-27 00:14:11 UTC
Ong wrote:
You seem fixated on damps

Yes, it has got a strong bonus to it. Otherwise is the Proteus better.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#34 - 2013-07-27 00:16:45 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Ong wrote:
You seem fixated on damps

Yes, it has got a strong bonus to it. Otherwise is the Proteus better.


Nope proteus cant kyte and has like half the point range
Whitehound
#35 - 2013-07-27 00:22:44 UTC
Ong wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Ong wrote:
You seem fixated on damps

Yes, it has got a strong bonus to it. Otherwise is the Proteus better.


Nope proteus cant kyte and has like half the point range

Sure it can kite. It is maybe 500m/s slower on MWD, but with a far better tank and damage. The Arazu needs its long range, because it would otherwise only die. The slightly shorter point range is irrelevant. Then add covert and nullifier subsystem to it and it is all round the better recon.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#36 - 2013-07-27 00:31:12 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
soloing


Im going to stop right here, anyone that even thinks solo, recon and kyting proteus in the same discussion is not worth my time. Feel free to continue being a bad tho o/
Whitehound
#37 - 2013-07-27 07:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Ong wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
soloing


Im going to stop right here, anyone that even thinks solo, recon and kyting proteus in the same discussion is not worth my time. Feel free to continue being a bad tho o/

You mentioned it and you still have not explained your fitting.

I guess your idea is to sit as far away from the fight as you can, let your mates do the job, suck on the killmail and fly off after 5 minutes.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Eka Lawrencia
Different Drummers
#38 - 2013-07-27 07:45:38 UTC
Ong wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
[quote=Ong]Im sorry ...
I and most people that do :elitesmallgangpvp: have realised that damps are of absolutely no use outside of pointing and damping a solo pve'er and waiting on your gang mates to come gank them.



Quite a strong and absolute statement. So absolute that it can't be true.
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#39 - 2013-07-27 08:06:21 UTC
ITT Bads who havent realised damps are **** in gangs.

While this statement isnt true for armour or cov ops gangs, the Lach is better for shield gangs, I fly the following fit.

[Lachesis, Standard Nano]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Whitehound
#40 - 2013-07-27 08:46:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Danny John-Peter wrote:
ITT Bads who havent realised damps are **** in gangs

Do yourself a favour, watch the alliance tournament (back today at 15:00) and do not tell anyone.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.