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ECM: Break lock, 10 second cycle time

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Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#21 - 2013-07-26 00:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Aliventi
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Did you not read my post... I already provided the chance of jamming. Did you not believe my numbers?

FYI: Jammers routinely overheat (although Info links aren't all that common), and they can keep heat going for several minutes with decent skills. In addtion, you'll rarely find ECCM on ships other than T1 & T2 Logistics, some BC's that know they are facing ECM, and some BS's that know they are facing ECM. I have a thread up asking for more utility from ECCM modules (note: My thread suggests NOTHING to change the current ECM-ECCM balance).

Here's a couple things to keep in mind about EC Drones:

When out soloing, I despise getting jammed off that stabber by his 5 EC drones... They reliably hit, as the 30% chance of jam for 5 EC-300's is only counting ONE CYCLE. Give them 2 cycles (20ish seconds) and it's a 50% success rate. Give them 3 cycles (40ish seconds), and it's a 65% success rate. If I'm in a taranis, underneath the guns of a Vagabond, that single jam cycle is enough for him to pull range and blapp me. It's simply a race of can I kill his drones before he gets the jam (which is a coin toss).

In small gang combat (3-6 pilots), groups of EC drones are very potent. A single jam may easily swing the fight to your favor.

And here's another recent example: If you watch Agony's last fight in this years AT, the commentators were floored by us putting a smartbomb on our Vindicator. This was place on the Vindi specifically to clear EC drones from the field. During last years testing, when minmatar rush was very popular, swarms of 10-30 EC-300 & EC-600 drones were extremely common. They could reliably jam out a BS 30-60% of the time, and when you have a bunch of utility wrapped up in a single ship, that's quite devastating to your game play.

Now, this is just food for thought. I'm not firmly in the "let's nerf ec drones because they are crazy overpowered" camp. I just recognize them as frustrating and potent, and thing a review of their utility is reasonable. I also recognize most other EWAR drones are underutilized because they are underwhelming, and also need to be reviewed!


Your numbers seemed rounded. Which, as it appears, they were. Blink And no s**t jammers are overheated. ECCM is also overheated. I have flow a falcon. I have extensive experience in small gang warfare. I know how effective ECM is in small gang fights.

So you are out soloing and attack a ship with drones and the ship uses drones against you. Heaven forbid that happens. Oh and the drones work. Heaven forbid that also happens. But there is still a chance that they won't work. If you can't kill them in that window or choose not to fit and ECCM/smartbomb then you deserve to be jammed.

Your choices have consequences. If the other fleet uses ECM drones or brings a Falcon and you can't kill them or chose not to fit an ECCM/smartbomb then you deserve the consequences. You chose to drop a gun and fit a a smartbomb and the consequences were you were able to kill drones easier. it works both ways. People use ECM, SDs, TDs, TPs, Webs, neuts, etc all because they have a chance to swing things in their favor. Out of all of those ECM is the only one that has a chance to fail. To compensate for this they are a little more powerful to average out their effectiveness. ECM is no more OP or less OP than any other EWAR.
Aldap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-08-17 16:32:53 UTC
Bump Lol

An interesting article about Solo PvP: http://themittani.com/features/new-eden-solo

Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#23 - 2013-08-17 18:44:43 UTC
Phaade wrote:
This is how ECM should function. 20 second lockout durations, falcons perma jamming 3 targets simultaneously, is all ludicrous.

Break the lock from the target, and force them to re-lock everything. Even buff the chances of successful breaks.

ECM is not in line with other forms of Ewar. Even if you like the way it functions currently, you must concede that it is far more effective than the other 3 forms. This is inherently unbalanced.

I'd be open to hearing an argument against ECM being on par with TDs, SDs, or TPs, but I doubt it will stand.


It is inherently unbalanced that you must sometimes consider the use of ECCM to double your sensor strength while I must fit a sensor booster to increase my targeting range by 60%.

Oh wait, what?
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