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Illegal slaves freed, Archon captured!

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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#1 - 2011-10-26 11:32:36 UTC
Auga, 0630 (Approx) 10-26 YC 113. The call comes out that a slaver's Archon is tackled by friendly forces.

Upon arriving and engaging, we discover the pilot is of the worst form of scum, one Mithru, who proudly broadcasts in her public bio of using Minmatar children as slaves, as well as the use of physical abuse and Vitoc.

This paragon of Virtue quickly abaondoned her vessel, the Archon-class Carrier, and its crew to their fate, and attempted to escape in a Paladin-class Marauder that she had ejected from her carrier's ship hangar. The Paladin was quickly destroyed, and all surving crew were rescued, the majority being Vitoc-addicted slaves, a shocking number children beneath the age of 16.

The Archon was safely taken into Minmatar control and docked. Congratulations to Autocannons Anonymous for their bravery in doing this; as I was in a Wolf-class Assault ship, I certainly played a minor role.

Teraa Matar extends an offer to any and all now-freed slaves that were formerly members of either vessel's crew for medical care, housing, therapy as required, and location into stable families for the children, and employment or placement with a Tribe of their choice for all adults. This vessel was operating outside of any Amarrian regulation as near as we can tell, and the crews "illegally" held captives, even as reckoned by Amarrian law. The level of cruelty and lack of concern for humanity found shocked even the most hardened veterans, including those of us who have had our own experiences with the institution of slavery.

So good news for once, New Eden; Several thousand slaves freed from torment, the capture of a carrier and destruction of a marauder used by outlaw slavers, and hopefully a better life ahead for many hundreds of children.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Maya Erena
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-10-26 11:44:37 UTC
Posting before she and several friends/other Amarrians show up and post smug comments about how none of this matters and they're going to be extra cruel from now on.

No, but seriously, congratulations.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#3 - 2011-10-26 12:06:02 UTC
This is mot excellent news, Avlynka! A very well done job for all involved.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2011-10-26 12:43:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
This story has the stench of propaganda about it, but assuming for a moment that it's accurate, how many slaves died during this "liberation"?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#5 - 2011-10-26 12:54:35 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
This story has the stench of propaganda about it, but assuming for a moment that it's accurate, how many slaves died during this "liberation"?


No propaganda at all.

Please, feel free to contact the pilot herself of any number of members of Autocannons Anonymous.

Also, feel free to check any kill-recording database for the destruction of the Paladin.

Approximately 40% of the Paladin's crew perished in the destruction of the vessel, so numbers placed at around 1700 onboard the paladin.

As the carrier was taken intact, and of course benefits from the structure of a capital vessel, less than 200 casualties were recorded on board it.

In total, the remainder of the Carrier's crew, including all of the vessel's officers and overseers, and the Paladin's, same story, were rescued, over ten THOUSAND people as of this count.

Of course, unless the Empire claims that the vessel WAS a warship in its service, the captured overseers and officers will be treated as pirates and criminals, and tried under Republic law. They are not POWs. They are slavers.

Tell me again, Blake... the vessel was in Auga. It was operating outside of Amarrian law. It was most certainly in violation of Republic law. What, exactly, did the Minmatar Militia do wrong in apprehending it? Would that be our failure to destroy it, or our rapid rescue of those aboard the Paladin wreckage?

Even you should be outraged at this, "Admiral" Blake.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-26 12:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Rodj Blake wrote:
This story has the stench of propaganda about it, but assuming for a moment that it's accurate, how many slaves died during this "liberation"?


well, if they captured the Archon intact and retrieved survivors from the Paladin wreck, I'd guess the answer to your question is "less than were rescued".

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Author of The Deathworlders

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-26 13:09:59 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
This story has the stench of propaganda about it, but assuming for a moment that it's accurate, how many slaves died during this "liberation"?


You know Rodj Blake, I've come to notice you tend to defend Amarrian criminals even if only to stand against Matari, or just to further your own agenda with the Empire as a whole. Even if that means siding with criminals and monsters of human beings.

Now, I'm not one to judge people by the allegiances they pick but..

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#8 - 2011-10-26 13:15:25 UTC
What you consider as a bigger success, freeing those slaves or capturing a Archon-class carrier ?

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#9 - 2011-10-26 13:20:21 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
What you consider as a bigger success, freeing those slaves or capturing a Archon-class carrier ?


Freeing those people, of course. The Vessel, while a boon to the cash-strapped Minmatar war effort, pales into insignificance next to the rescue of thousands.

However, the capture DID make the rescue possible. In this case, hard to seperate the two.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2011-10-26 13:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Jason Galente wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
This story has the stench of propaganda about it, but assuming for a moment that it's accurate, how many slaves died during this "liberation"?


You know Rodj Blake, I've come to notice you tend to defend Amarrian criminals even if only to stand against Matari, or just to further your own agenda with the Empire as a whole. Even if that means siding with criminals and monsters of human beings.

Now, I'm not one to judge people by the allegiances they pick but..



There's been number of similar claims regarding slave abuse lately, all unsubstantiated.

Hence my scepticism.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#11 - 2011-10-26 13:30:03 UTC
Hm... I'm not trying to be apologetic of the said pilot, au contraire... although some naysayers will probably jump to that conclusion, but I have to ask... how did you establish these slaves were a) illegal and b) on board the carrier?
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#12 - 2011-10-26 13:40:12 UTC
The pilot stated as much in their public bio. The pilot also happens to be suffering from an extreme case of capsuleer dementia.

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Mithru
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#13 - 2011-10-26 14:00:45 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
how did you establish these slaves were a) illegal
Well, the first post seems to imply that this happened in Auga, so Minmatar Republic sovereignty - all slaves are illegal in the Republic.

Not to mention that quite a few people seem to think that slaves are illegal no matter where. Especially Minmatar slaves.

But I guess arguing this would devolve into a rather pointless debate on which laws hold where, and how two nations being at war affects whose laws apply where.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#14 - 2011-10-26 14:15:04 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
The pilot stated as much in their public bio. The pilot also happens to be suffering from an extreme case of capsuleer dementia.

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Mithru



That's interesting. I can spot the capsuleer dementia but I can't seem to find the 'Hello Auga local, I am 100% certainly transporting illegal slaves in my Archon's cargo' part.


Arkady Sadik wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
how did you establish these slaves were a) illegal
Well, the first post seems to imply that this happened in Auga, so Minmatar Republic sovereignty - all slaves are illegal in the Republic.

Not to mention that quite a few people seem to think that slaves are illegal no matter where. Especially Minmatar slaves.

But I guess arguing this would devolve into a rather pointless debate on which laws hold where, and how two nations being at war affects whose laws apply where.


Ava Starfire wrote:
...and the crews "illegally" held captives, even as reckoned by Amarrian law...


True, let's keep the legislative discussion aside, I was just curious about that part. I'm not implying anything, but some elaboration would be rather welcome.


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Gottii
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-26 14:16:25 UTC
Well done Ava.
Lucius Vindictus
Arachnos
#16 - 2011-10-26 14:24:47 UTC
Right....

So basically people read the bio of a pilot who named herself "princess ****" of the mighty "Fuzzy Wuzzy Attack Ferrets", and took everything she wrote there literally. Normally that would be the most intelligent thing to do, of course.

Still, cynic that I am, I doubted the validity of her words at first. But then I read about the ham sandwich. Now I am convinced that everything said here is true!
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#17 - 2011-10-26 14:38:58 UTC
Regardless of the status of the (now freed) slaves. I am quite happy to see a carrier taken away from such an obviously insane capsuleer.
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#18 - 2011-10-26 15:00:52 UTC
Dear Ms. Starfire,

The Disciples of Ston are gratified to hear that slaves have been liberated from such oppression. We also want to say that we humbly offer ourselves to assist if there is ever a need for housing space for any that you rescue. Our Centers are administrated by the Minmatar, under the watchful care of tribal Elders. We consider ourselves servants of those we rescue.

We stand by to assist in any humanitarian we that we can.

SANKOFA

Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#19 - 2011-10-26 15:13:07 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
This story has the stench of propaganda about it, but assuming for a moment that it's accurate, how many slaves died during this "liberation"?


You know Rodj Blake, I've come to notice you tend to defend Amarrian criminals even if only to stand against Matari, or just to further your own agenda with the Empire as a whole. Even if that means siding with criminals and monsters of human beings.

Now, I'm not one to judge people by the allegiances they pick but..



There's been number of similar claims regarding slave abuse lately, all unsubstantiated.

Hence my scepticism.


I can substatiate at least one case of abuse -- mine. Every slave rescued and repatriated is one less hold the Empire has over our people.

Good work, Ava. Fly free.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-10-26 15:17:12 UTC
Congratulations to the Minmatar militia, and particularly to Autocannons Anonymous on their shiny new Archon. I am of course pleased to see slaves rescued and repatriated to their native land, but I think the greatest reward was the hang-wringing, wailing and gnashing of teeth from the various Amarrian apologists in this thread.

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