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Moving into WH space

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Faux Leon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-07-25 11:10:47 UTC
Hello and thank you everyone for reading/replying to this message should you choose to do such.


So I was wondering about WH space. I hear its dangerous, but theres pleanty of shinny things to be had. Is there really? How often can I find an unoccupied wormhole system? Where should I look? Between the Sleepers and various other threats what are my odds of survival in a cruiser sized vessel or larger? What all threats might I possibly face during this exploration of leh Wormholes?

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-25 11:14:34 UTC
1. yea, we got shiny. they higher the class the more it shines
2. unoccupied systems are rare in low class and abundant in high class. however, if you plan on daytripping, just find a wh where the owners are asleep and steal there shiny
3. where to look....well, just start scanning in highsec, and make sure to have bookmarks and more probes
4. a t1 cruiser will die to sleepers. some battlecruisers(drake) can do class 1 and 2. for class 3 you need a t3 to solo, above that you cant solo
5. sleepers are really nasty, they neut web and point, and also do a lotta dps. there are also many evil people with cloakies hunting you, bubbles thrown up etc. basically, everyone who isnt your friend is out there to kill you. npc's and players
Ronix Aideron
Zymurgy Corp.
#3 - 2013-07-25 11:25:43 UTC
I agree with the previous poster.

I would also recommend either joining a WH corp or seeing if your existing corp will help you with the setup of a POS in a wormhole. Before you move in try day tripping and seeing how you like the mechanics of w-space.

Start the day off slow and taper off from there.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ronix_Aideron

Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#4 - 2013-07-25 14:14:44 UTC
Faux Leon wrote:
Hello and thank you everyone for reading/replying to this message should you choose to do such.


So I was wondering about WH space. I hear its dangerous, but theres pleanty of shinny things to be had. Is there really? How often can I find an unoccupied wormhole system? Where should I look? Between the Sleepers and various other threats what are my odds of survival in a cruiser sized vessel or larger? What all threats might I possibly face during this exploration of leh Wormholes?


If you are trying to do this solo, it really won't work.

Wormhole logistics requires a crew.

You can do a surprising amount in cruisers and battlecruisers in c1-c3's (you can do the majority of c1 through c3 sites in a assault frigate if your good). C4 and above you will need a bit more bite. Your profits in a C1 is 0 (your ship loss from random ganks will negate whatever you bring in). C2 is a Mega Highway (you will be k162'd into repeatedly). C3's are relatively quiet, but you will get allot of k162's from C2's, C5's and C6's. C4's... Generally considered horrible because of logistics and that there will NEVER be a k162 direct from high/low/null into it). C5 and C6.. you will eventually get evicted, again they have huge highways.

You really want a feel of wormhole space, find a c2 with a static c2/c3/c5 static high. that is pretty much the wormhole version of Lowsec pirates (lots of traffic, ganks going on, etc). You will constantly have sites to run as you can farm both your system and your static if needed.

You can setup a small corporation in there, especially if you pick a undervalue hole (most hole values are determined by the static and the Planets that are in there.

A hole with a static low/null are generally undervalued (cause there exits lead to either pirate space or some renters null system, and logistics of getting crap in and out sucks, there also somewhat boring cause lowish amounts of pvp). Holes with statics to other holes can be a bit nightmarish to leave, cause sometimes you run into dead ends and maybe stuck in there for a few days (longest I've seen where we couldn't role the hole for one reason or another was about 2 weeks (kept getting nulls or dead ends).

You don't need a huge corp to start in wormhole space (this is not nullsec, there are no "owners", you do not "rent"). Expect a fight every so often though. No one is going to evict you just because (pos bashes suck). If they have a reason though, you fight or you die.

You can start with a crew of 3 people in a c1, c2 or c3, but expect to bring in more unless you want to be deemed as "lunch" by someone. Extra people to back you up helps. You don't have it, expect to hire mercenaries to help you (there are channels and avenues for that).

Holes with static nulls are generally unoccupied, you can find a few systems that are empty though (dead towers, etc), some are sold by wormhole divers on the forums, etc etc.

You can determine if a system is empty very quickly (Fly around it dscanning for forcefields), you don't see any, probably empty. Scan for POS's also (you see a pos with no forcefield, either abandoned or someone forgot to fuel it... or its a flycatcher).

Don't expect to Solo wormhole space. Your day will end in misery.

Yaay!!!!

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#5 - 2013-07-25 14:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rall Mekin
No offense to the above poster, but it is PERFECTLY possible to run wormholes solo, though very dangerous (just ask the gnosis pilot we murdered last night). However, it is VERY UNWISE, and not as much fun.

RE: solo work--

I used to make about 100-200 mil a night running solo in a couple of hours. This was when I was between holes and part of a more mercenary/indy group in high sec. I used a very shiny tengu in a c3. Fortunately, I was never ganked, and as I look back on it, I realize how absolutely insane that was. At one point, I literally had my life on field between a noctis, 2 bil tengu, and orca roaming between c3s. One mistake, and all my space money was *poof* (I was also poorer then... now I'll drop almost that on a PVP tech III, and I rarely bling PVE ships).

I would suggest looking for an experienced corp, especially one looking to take in small groups of members (for you and you friends). You can find them using the in game search tool or the recruitment areas of the forums. Wormhole corps have been my best and worst experiences in EVE, but the best far outshines the worst and I think EVERYONE should experience how intimate, carefree, and at the same time professional life with a close-knit wormhole corp can be.

We are recruiting, btw. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=223693
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#6 - 2013-07-25 15:10:18 UTC
Rall Mekin wrote:
No offense to the above poster, but it is PERFECTLY possible to run wormholes solo, though very dangerous (just ask the gnosis pilot we murdered last night). However, it is VERY UNWISE, and not as much fun.

RE: solo work--

I used to make about 100-200 mil a night running solo in a couple of hours. This was when I was between holes and part of a more mercenary/indy group in high sec. I used a very shiny tengu in a c3. Fortunately, I was never ganked, and as I look back on it, I realize how absolutely insane that was. At one point, I literally had my life on field between a noctis, 2 bil tengu, and orca roaming between c3s. One mistake, and all my space money was *poof* (I was also poorer then... now I'll drop almost that on a PVP tech III, and I rarely bling PVE ships).

I would suggest looking for an experienced corp, especially one looking to take in small groups of members (for you and you friends). You can find them using the in game search tool or the recruitment areas of the forums. Wormhole corps have been my best and worst experiences in EVE, but the best far outshines the worst and I think EVERYONE should experience how intimate, carefree, and at the same time professional life with a close-knit wormhole corp can be.

We are recruiting, btw. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=223693


No offense taken, just wanted to state that he can do it in a small corporation himself, just don't risk your isk soloing stuff (Wormholes can be very VERY lonely, especially if your in a 1 or 2 man hole corporation). If he wants to solo, sure he can, but your somewhat diminishing the true experience of Eve (again, to each there own). You'll generally have more fun running with a small crew.

Yaay!!!!

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#7 - 2013-07-25 16:13:45 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
If he wants to solo, sure he can, but your somewhat diminishing the true experience of Eve (again, to each there own). You'll generally have more fun running with a small crew.



^^ This.
Sorany
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-07-25 16:31:46 UTC
christ on a cracker BNI is invading WH space, we are all doomed. Shocked
T0SHI KONI
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-07-25 23:22:13 UTC
Soloing a C1 is doable. I have a very small corp and we are currently farming a C1 to fund the move into a C2 properly. If you can use a Cov-Op and Blockade runner you can operate out of a C1-LS, which we didn't have too much trouble finding. A pair of caracles can run sites and a drake can solo. We have had guys come in but keeping an eye on D-scan and the discovery scanner to see when intruders show up helps mitigate the danger. Then shipping into a T1 fit cruiser and taking a fight to them USUALLY keeps people from screwing you over too bad.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-07-26 02:54:03 UTC
it isnt so "creepy" once you get used to explore them, i've never lived in one but i've used them recently for my alliance's logistics, as we didnt have a way to ferry goods from empire space to null sec, we didnt have jump bridges nor jump freighters to do so. so we got some explorer players finding WHs in our systems and finding the ones who lead to high sec or low sec. it was pretty funny, i never got killed in the process since i got used to use D-Scan and save bookmarks.

once i have some skills and ISK backup i'll use my 3 accounts for living there. maybe play the nomadic life.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#11 - 2013-07-26 04:43:39 UTC
Living in a WH might not be worth while if you are doing it Solo. There are a few things to consider.

Site spawn rate.
If you move into a WH without a Static to a WH you can farm you will run out of sites pretty fast. Most WHs only spawn a few sites per day which pool up in system that are not being run. If you do have a Static that you can run, you have to be able to collapse the WH if you get a bad hole otherwise you have nothing to do that day. Rolling a WH can be a pain solo.

Logistics
You need to be able to get stuff in the WH and out again, this includes a POS + Mods + Fuel + Ammo , or maybe an Orca if you want to be nomadic and then you have to be able to get sleeper loot out. This most likely will require an Indy or Orca.
You can live in a WH solo but it would most likely require at least a few accounts to be effective (you could you different chars on the same account but it would be a pain)

Salvaging
In order to make the ISK you have to be able to salvage. C1 -2 about 80% of the value comes from Nanoribbons, C3 Its about 20-50%, not sure about C4+ .

Backup Plan
What happens if you get popped in the WH, you collapse a Static by mistake, do you have a scanning alt in the WH to scan out your other toons or is it self-destruct time for you.

Day tripping
When day tripping yo can scan down WHs from K space which is pretty safe and cherry pick the good ones. Then just jump in with your combat ship run the sites for 1.5 Hours and then jump in with a noctis and salvage like your life depends on it. It does require a bit of item to find the right WH so its not that great if you just want to run for an hour or so and then Log.

Your Skills
Its best to do some day tripping to see what sort of sites you can, no point setting up in a C3 if you cant use a T3. You can easily do C1 in a BC, C2 are OK as well (drake are best) and then T3s for C3.