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Blue on blue attacks - Diana Kim, Pyre Falcon, The Republic, The Federation

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#161 - 2013-08-02 23:47:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
let's not resort to animal analogies, please. I was going to make a point about not shooting a dog just because it got excited and bit your fingers, but frankly I'd rather not compare the Minmatar people to a dumb animal that can't control its impulses.

People are more nuanced than wolves.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#162 - 2013-08-03 01:19:34 UTC
If the incident in question was not a case of dreadfully poor impulse control, then what was it?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#163 - 2013-08-03 02:27:59 UTC
Poor impulse control, yes. Animalistically so, no.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#164 - 2013-08-03 12:24:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
You know I'm starting to think Diana Kim is actually a program that got stuck on a certain sequence of comments on repeat, because she's spewing the same tired old rhetoric over and over again, despite the fact no one's buying into her belief system.


Try approaching a different topic, I can see the conversation going like this:


"Hey Diana, want Ice cream?"

"THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!"

Hey, Caellach, want a bullet?


Want one yourself ?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#165 - 2013-08-04 00:25:25 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
You know I'm starting to think Diana Kim is actually a program that got stuck on a certain sequence of comments on repeat, because she's spewing the same tired old rhetoric over and over again, despite the fact no one's buying into her belief system.


Try approaching a different topic, I can see the conversation going like this:


"Hey Diana, want Ice cream?"

"THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!"

Hey, Caellach, want a bullet?


Want one yourself ?

What can I say... Come and try.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#166 - 2013-08-04 23:50:12 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:

I do find it utterly unsurprising that she continues to label anything that she does not agree with, no matter the source, as 'gallentean lies'.

Does seem to show that her dementia is only increasing since the object of her rather disturbing desires has gone into hiding though.

Lies are not what contradicts with my opinion or world view. Lie is a false conclusion that you construct on lack, perversion or ignoring facts.
For example, even in this sentence there are following lies:
- that i label thing as lie, that I do not agree with *1
- no matter the source, as gallentean *2
- that i has dementia *3
- that it is increasing *4
- that i have distubring desires *5
- and that they gone into hiding *6

As you can see, this man has tremendous amount of lies in his replies, most of them he simply uses to insult opponent.

Most of such behavior I see from gallenteans or gallentean-minded people.
And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.


Ok. Let's look at your claims here.

1) You have responded to matari, gallente, intaki, jin-mei, khanid and amarrian comments, by saying their words are 'gallentean lies', both here and in the summit. Not to mention claiming that any Caldari who disagrees with you is either a gallente loving traitor or a spy. At best you have claimed they have fallen for 'gallente propaganda'.

2) as above.

3) It is apparent that you suffer from some form of debilitating psychological ailment that causes you to project all of your personal issues upon your chosen straw man, in this case the Federation. You have in recent conversations called all of mixed heritage 'abominations' while being of mixed heritage yourself and then refused to see the hypocrisy in this. Your constantly enraged rantings have become ever more haphazard and vocally violent. These things all point to a form of dementia, possibly leading towards an unfortunate 'wetgrave' event.

4) your behaviour and demeanour have become worse than they were. ergo the psychological ailment appears to be becoming more acute.

5) You are obviously in love with Heth. That's pretty damned disturbing.

6) Heth HAS gone into hiding.

So. Wrong on all counts. Congratulations Diana, you have equalled my expectations.

Call my words lies all you want Diana, it is clear for all to see that your actions tell a different story.
You have, in recent weeks, thrown away all honour you may have had as a Caldari, and spit upon your Achurian heritage. I honestly hope you continue down this path, burning all the bridges you cross, because one day, soon, Heth's corpse will be the only company you have left.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#167 - 2013-08-05 18:23:21 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
You know I'm starting to think Diana Kim is actually a program that got stuck on a certain sequence of comments on repeat, because she's spewing the same tired old rhetoric over and over again, despite the fact no one's buying into her belief system.


Try approaching a different topic, I can see the conversation going like this:


"Hey Diana, want Ice cream?"

"THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!"

Hey, Caellach, want a bullet?


Want one yourself ?

What can I say... Come and try.


Only if you make the first move.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#168 - 2013-08-06 00:32:07 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:

I do find it utterly unsurprising that she continues to label anything that she does not agree with, no matter the source, as 'gallentean lies'.

Does seem to show that her dementia is only increasing since the object of her rather disturbing desires has gone into hiding though.

Lies are not what contradicts with my opinion or world view. Lie is a false conclusion that you construct on lack, perversion or ignoring facts.
For example, even in this sentence there are following lies:
- that i label thing as lie, that I do not agree with *1
- no matter the source, as gallentean *2
- that i has dementia *3
- that it is increasing *4
- that i have distubring desires *5
- and that they gone into hiding *6

As you can see, this man has tremendous amount of lies in his replies, most of them he simply uses to insult opponent.

Most of such behavior I see from gallenteans or gallentean-minded people.
And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.


Ok. Let's look at your claims here.

1) You have responded to matari, gallente, intaki, jin-mei, khanid and amarrian comments, by saying their words are 'gallentean lies', both here and in the summit. Not to mention claiming that any Caldari who disagrees with you is either a gallente loving traitor or a spy. At best you have claimed they have fallen for 'gallente propaganda'.

2) as above.

#1 Incorrect. Meaningless and incorrect answer. You are practically trying to reply to my #2, completely ignoring idea of #1. You never even tried to show examples, where I call other opinions as lies. But I would be able to easily rebut such approach, because I have numerous of replies, where I don't agree with someone, but don't call it a lie.
But your reply is simply irrelevant.

Now, let's return to #2.
Again, this is simply nonsense. There are some criteria, how I distinguish gallentean ideas, and the source is the primary criterion. Others of them are: freedom, liberty, hedonism and individualism. As you can see, even these criteria you can track down to the Federation. And, of course, I can find a lot of examples, where I don't agree with someone Caldari, whom I don't call traitor or spy. In fact, calling a Caldari traitor or spy is a quite rare condition for me, mostly limited to IGS and the Summit, that are swarming with gallentean ideals. It is rather harder for me to find when I call people traitors and spies, than simply disagreeing with them. For me to call them that way, they should show extremely inadequacy, unprovoked attack on me, or Heth-haan, well, I have hard time remembering these cases, but they surely should act quite aggressively and disloyal.

iyammarrok wrote:

3) It is apparent that you suffer from some form of debilitating psychological ailment that causes you to project all of your personal issues upon your chosen straw man, in this case the Federation. You have in recent conversations called all of mixed heritage 'abominations' while being of mixed heritage yourself and then refused to see the hypocrisy in this. Your constantly enraged rantings have become ever more haphazard and vocally violent. These things all point to a form of dementia, possibly leading towards an unfortunate 'wetgrave' event.

4) your behaviour and demeanour have become worse than they were. ergo the psychological ailment appears to be becoming more acute.

#3. Well, this is what I call obvious lie. You don't seem like an expert of psychology for me, and even if you were, you never examined me. Your words are in a direct opposition to the military psychiatrist, who actually examined me. I bet you don't even tried to extract my dossier. And thus it makes your words either simple ignorance or a poor attempt of insult. In either case, they are nothing more than a blatant lie.
About the case of mixed heritage, you simple didn't pay attention to my words and perverted them with the way, that you can show myself as hypocritical. These were my words about mixing heritage with gallenteans. Although neither I, nor the general population in the State, in fact, don't consider mixed heritage people like norm, not to the extent to being 'abominations', but it creates some... complications and rather unwelcoming approach. I have passed through it, and it is the last thing that I would wish for my children.

#4 For it to be true, at least #3 should be true, but it is not correct. At least if you really want to try to defend your words, you need a complete psychological examination of myself (or retrieval of my dossier). But I don't think you would resort to either of this, because it will completely prove your inconsistency.

iyammarrok wrote:

5) You are obviously in love with Heth. That's pretty damned disturbing.

What the... for Maker's Sake ! Heth-haan was my superior! He was my commanding officer! It is UNPROFESSIONAL to have relations like... THIS with your superior officer! THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE! CALDARI DON'T ACT LIKE THAT! YOU PERVERTED FILTHY GALLENTEAN!! ONLY LOSERS LIKE YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH SUPERIORS!!! THIS IS UNPROFESSIONAL!! YOU HEDONIST SCUM!! HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT IT?!! WE WILL DESTROY YOU!! ALL OF YOU!!! FILTHY HEDONISTS!! YOUR DAYS ARE OVER!! WE WILL BURN YOUR PLANETS!! YOUR HOME WILL BURN!! YOUR FAMILY WILL BE KILLED!! YOU WILL BE EXECUTED!! AND IMPRISONED!! AND... AND.... AND...
GALLENTE SCUM!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#169 - 2013-08-06 00:38:43 UTC
I didn't realise that Provist issue equipment came with an occasionally stuck shift key..

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2013-08-06 00:44:48 UTC
Notice that she didn't even respond to the verifiably true fact that Heth was declared a traitor and a fugitive by the CEP and the CBT which are the only legitimate oversight authorities in the State and has been accused of criminal malfesence by the two corporations he incompetently ran.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Kourdus
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#171 - 2013-08-06 02:42:18 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:


iyammarrok wrote:

5) You are obviously in love with Heth. That's pretty damned disturbing.

What the... for Maker's Sake ! Heth-haan was my superior! He was my commanding officer! It is UNPROFESSIONAL to have relations like... THIS with your superior officer! THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE! CALDARI DON'T ACT LIKE THAT! YOU PERVERTED FILTHY GALLENTEAN!! ONLY LOSERS LIKE YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH SUPERIORS!!! THIS IS UNPROFESSIONAL!! YOU HEDONIST SCUM!! HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT IT?!! WE WILL DESTROY YOU!! ALL OF YOU!!! FILTHY HEDONISTS!! YOUR DAYS ARE OVER!! WE WILL BURN YOUR PLANETS!! YOUR HOME WILL BURN!! YOUR FAMILY WILL BE KILLED!! YOU WILL BE EXECUTED!! AND IMPRISONED!! AND... AND.... AND...
GALLENTE SCUM!


and...this escalated nicely.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#172 - 2013-08-06 02:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Notice that she didn't even respond to the verifiably true fact that Heth was declared a traitor and a fugitive by the CEP and the CBT which are the only legitimate oversight authorities in the State and has been accused of criminal malfesence by the two corporations he incompetently ran.


Don't forget the accusation of murder over the death of Admiral Visera Yanala.

Kim-haani has tried to push the blame off by saying Heth only gave her the Haklen tea to drink and didn't, for example, pour it down her throat. I find this to be a far too simplistic view of murder which definitely includes the concept of compelling someone to take their own life.

If, for example, I held a gun to Diana's head and demanded she drink the tea, whilst in terms of ritual, she would have taken the honourable way out, I would have done an illegal and very dishonourable thing.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#173 - 2013-08-06 05:03:57 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
What the... for Maker's Sake ! Heth-haan was my superior! He was my commanding officer! It is UNPROFESSIONAL to have relations like... THIS with your superior officer! THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE! CALDARI DON'T ACT LIKE THAT! YOU PERVERTED FILTHY GALLENTEAN!! ONLY LOSERS LIKE YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH SUPERIORS!!! THIS IS UNPROFESSIONAL!! YOU HEDONIST SCUM!! HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT IT?!! WE WILL DESTROY YOU!! ALL OF YOU!!! FILTHY HEDONISTS!! YOUR DAYS ARE OVER!! WE WILL BURN YOUR PLANETS!! YOUR HOME WILL BURN!! YOUR FAMILY WILL BE KILLED!! YOU WILL BE EXECUTED!! AND IMPRISONED!! AND... AND.... AND...
GALLENTE SCUM!


Calm down, you're going blow the seals on your reactor like that.

As much as I smart off about your rants and such, you are not the first person in the history of the cluster to fall for a superior officer, Or at least the ideals which he represents to you, if not the man himself.

You certainly will not be the last.

Throughout history I am sure one can find any examples of the people adoring their leaders, some to the extent of a love as real as any that rends the heart. How many Amarrians out there have adored their emperors (or emperoresses) to that extent?

I doubt any of the people of any of our races have been immune to this.

Leaders who give people hope, pride and inspiration, for whatever reason, can quickly become cults of personality, its not unusual.

Question you have to ask yourself is: at what point does it become unhealthy, and is the man (or woman) whom one idolizes really worth all the idolization, or are they just leading you down the primrose path? Are they really all they are cracked up to be?

*shrugs*

Hell, I fancied a superior officer back when I was a Federal Marine, kept a lid on it at least until I mustered out, then we had some times...



Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#174 - 2013-08-06 05:29:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Don't forget the accusation of murder over the death of Admiral Visera Yanala.

Kim-haani has tried to push the blame off by saying Heth only gave her the Haklen tea to drink and didn't, for example, pour it down her throat. I find this to be a far too simplistic view of murder which definitely includes the concept of compelling someone to take their own life.

If, for example, I held a gun to Diana's head and demanded she drink the tea, whilst in terms of ritual, she would have taken the honourable way out, I would have done an illegal and very dishonourable thing.

But why would you, or even, Heth-haan, so such a thing?
As far as I remember, it shouldn't become known to public what happened to the Admiral, thus, death could be done by different means. If he, or you, wanter her or me dead, you, or he, could simply pull the trigger, you see. You don't need to ask to drink someone a tea if you pointing a gun to the head.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#175 - 2013-08-06 05:42:06 UTC
Arkady Vachon wrote:

Calm down, you're going blow the seals on your reactor like that.

As much as I smart off about your rants and such, you are not the first person in the history of the cluster to fall for a superior officer, Or at least the ideals which he represents to you, if not the man himself.

You certainly will not be the last.

Throughout history I am sure one can find any examples of the people adoring their leaders, some to the extent of a love as real as any that rends the heart. How many Amarrians out there have adored their emperors (or emperoresses) to that extent?

I doubt any of the people of any of our races have been immune to this.

Leaders who give people hope, pride and inspiration, for whatever reason, can quickly become cults of personality, its not unusual.

Question you have to ask yourself is: at what point does it become unhealthy, and is the man (or woman) whom one idolizes really worth all the idolization, or are they just leading you down the primrose path? Are they really all they are cracked up to be?

*shrugs*

Hell, I fancied a superior officer back when I was a Federal Marine, kept a lid on it at least until I mustered out, then we had some times...

If you haven't noticed, I am Caldari, I am Officer and I am professional!
I WON'T BE NEITHER LAST, NOR FIRST!
This situation is neither theoretically nor practically possible!

This can be only in your filthy dirty hedonistic unprofessional Federation, and you did it with your superior, because you are freaking specimen of this hedonistic federation of filthy gallenteans!
And this is why Federation must be destroyed!
And all gallenteans killed! Including you!
And then we will show you what does professionalism mean! But we won't let you try it, because after this we will kill you!
And then we will put you to tribunal!
And we will judge you! All of you! And we will sentence you to death! And then we will execute you! Like this!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#176 - 2013-08-06 05:44:03 UTC
Oh, and there can't be anything healthy!!
It is all perversions and hedonism!
And gallentean plot!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#177 - 2013-08-06 06:05:06 UTC
Quote:
If you haven't noticed, I am Caldari, I am Officer and I am professional
[I WON'T BE NEITHER LAST, NOR FIRST!

Well, yeah, by the uniform, you're Caldari...duh.


And that's what I already said, thanks for admitting that.

Quote:

This situation is neither theoretically nor practically possible!


Happens more than you know.

Quote:
This can be only in your filthy dirty hedonistic unprofessional Federation, and you did it with your superior, because you are freaking specimen of this hedonistic federation of filthy gallenteans!


Heh, look up the definition of 'mustering out' Diana, once you are a civilian, then it doesn't matter whether you get your freak on with your former superior officer or not.

Quote:

And this is why Federation must be destroyed!


Drink!
Quote:

And all gallenteans killed! Including you
[And then we will show you what does professionalism mean! But we won't let you try it, because after this we will kill you!
And then we will put you to tribunal!
And we will judge you! All of you! And we will sentence you to death! And then we will execute you! Like this!


You can try, shortstuff, but they'll just grow another one that looks just like me. Now if you really want to try, you can always find me dirtside, but keep in mind that there's no pod to clone you then, or me either - not that that bothers me in the slightest. I hope your backup is up to date so they can explain your death to you later. You've got a great record in space, ambushing ships on undocks and such, but dirtside you are in my playpen.

Besides, i'd rather just take you fishing, you catch more than me on a trip, and i'll shut up.

Honestly, you really need either to just relax more, drink more, or get laid more, because these freakouts must be hell on your clone' s hearts.

Think of the clones.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#178 - 2013-08-06 11:44:26 UTC
I don't always beat a dead horse for 9 pages.

But when I do, I only do it after eating a bowl of genuine Caldari Corn Paste!

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#179 - 2013-08-06 13:52:28 UTC
From abject denial to proving my point for me in less than 6 hours.

Hardly a record, but an achievement nonetheless.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#180 - 2013-08-06 17:26:15 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Katarina Musana wrote:
And, while I do not believe you incapable of grieving to the extent we have grieved for Midular, I do question whether or not you're capable of considering someone important enough to warrant that level of grief.


At no point has any one of the halfwits in your band "grieved" for Midular. You ignored her in life (at least when you weren't heaping contempt upon her). In death, you ignored the message of her life; and, used her as a prop to drive a wedge between yourselves and more or less everyone else (in direct contradiction to said message).

Well done, idiots.



As much as it pains me to admit it, there are many Matari about which you are right with that statement, though even many of those who despised her policies and practices still respected her as a Ray of Matar. Their contempt was largely because they felt that she was not living up to her destiny as a Ray.

However, you're far from the truth if you believe that even a majority of us have not truly grieved for Midular, that we all ignored her in life or held contempt for her, or that we have all ignored the message of her life.

Something you seem to not realize is that we don't just grieve for the loss of the individual. We grieve also for the loss of the potential and hope her existence as a Ray of Matar gave us.