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Blue on blue attacks - Diana Kim, Pyre Falcon, The Republic, The Federation

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-08-02 12:48:38 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:

I do find it utterly unsurprising that she continues to label anything that she does not agree with, no matter the source, as 'gallentean lies'.

Does seem to show that her dementia is only increasing since the object of her rather disturbing desires has gone into hiding though.

Lies are not what contradicts with my opinion or world view. Lie is a false conclusion that you construct on lack, perversion or ignoring facts.
For example, even in this sentence there are following lies:
- that i label thing as lie, that I do not agree with
- no matter the source, as gallentean
- that i has dementia
- that it is increasing
- that i have distubring desires
- and that they gone into hiding

As you can see, this man has tremendous amount of lies in his replies, most of them he simply uses to insult opponent.

Most of such behavior I see from gallenteans or gallentean-minded people.
And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#142 - 2013-08-02 12:53:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
You know I'm starting to think Diana Kim is actually a program that got stuck on a certain sequence of comments on repeat, because she's spewing the same tired old rhetoric over and over again, despite the fact no one's buying into her belief system.


Try approaching a different topic, I can see the conversation going like this:


"Hey Diana, want Ice cream?"

"THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!"

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#143 - 2013-08-02 13:00:11 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:

There's a major flaw in your reasoning, Morwen. The Federation has treated us as a child as their default behavior all along, not as a response to "child-like behavior."

This is a characteristic gallentean behavior. They believe that if others do things not like gallentean do, this is not proper, this is undeveloped, this is "childish" and it is their "task" to learn them "proper" way (which is, in fact, is indecent, inefficient and gallentean way).
Gallenteans interfere into matters that they don't understand and have no authority to interfere to.
We must stop it.
And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-08-02 13:10:42 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
You know I'm starting to think Diana Kim is actually a program that got stuck on a certain sequence of comments on repeat, because she's spewing the same tired old rhetoric over and over again, despite the fact no one's buying into her belief system.


Try approaching a different topic, I can see the conversation going like this:


"Hey Diana, want Ice cream?"

"THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!"

Hey, Caellach, want a bullet?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#145 - 2013-08-02 13:25:33 UTC
Support for Caellach's theory is accrueing at an alarming rate.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#146 - 2013-08-02 13:36:05 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
You know I'm starting to think Diana Kim is actually a program that got stuck on a certain sequence of comments on repeat, because she's spewing the same tired old rhetoric over and over again, despite the fact no one's buying into her belief system.


Try approaching a different topic, I can see the conversation going like this:


"Hey Diana, want Ice cream?"

"THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!"


I thought about making a drinking game out of Diana's screeches, but then I thought about the cost of going through clones as I burned out their livers too fast.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2013-08-02 14:48:39 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
the fact remains that you attacked an ally over the 'crimes of one man'.


Yes, we did. There's no denying that and I have made no attempt to deny that. The difference is, we did not attack our ally to punish them for the crimes of that one man. We attacked as part of an attempt to bring that one man back to our territory so that we could punish him, and him alone, for his crimes. Ms. Akahoshi, on the other hand, is calling for the punishment of an entire nation for what she has stated are the "crimes of one man."


I told myself I'd stop trying to talk to you, but there's a question here I've got to get an answer to, and so i'll ask it of the Republic in general: What would the Republic fleet have done if it were not intercepted by the Federation Navy? Where would it have gone? What would it have done if the Federation refused to negotiate with it?

Would it have destroyed Federation infrastructure?
Would it have destroyed neutral shipping?
Would it have destroyed a station?

Would it have fired upon a populated planet?

And would Republican capsuleers have fired, too?

Surely we can't know an answer to that, but we can speculate. And the speculation doesn't give me comfort. That is ultimately why I'm in favor of the Federation dropping the alliance. Not to "punish" the Republic. Not for a pique of grief. But for the simple fact that we were attacked by an ally.

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Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2013-08-02 14:51:10 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
It is possible that she's suffering from long term side-effects stemming from the medical treatment her current clone received from Kabuki TransSolar. We were a little short on certain perishables (such as whole blood), and had to improvise a bit.

Don't leave us hanging, Kaika. It sounds as if the very fabric of reality depends on it.

... Diana's "reality", anyway.


It's really just the smallest of things. She needed blood, and the only ones there were Tukkaara and myself. He has the wrong blood type to donate to her, so...

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#149 - 2013-08-02 14:54:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
What would the Republic fleet have done if it were not intercepted by the Federation Navy? Where would it have gone? What would it have done if the Federation refused to negotiate with it?


As things happened, they were intercepted.

What did happen was grim enough: It is neither reasonable nor constructive to use purely hypothetical tragedies as the foundation for your response.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#150 - 2013-08-02 14:55:36 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
It is possible that she's suffering from long term side-effects stemming from the medical treatment her current clone received from Kabuki TransSolar. We were a little short on certain perishables (such as whole blood), and had to improvise a bit.

Don't leave us hanging, Kaika. It sounds as if the very fabric of reality depends on it.

... Diana's "reality", anyway.


It's really just the smallest of things. She needed blood, and the only ones there were Tukkaara and myself. He has the wrong blood type to donate to her, so...


... I'll be back once I've stopped laughing long enough to breathe and go get some popcorn.

**** is going to be getting hilarious in here in short order.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-08-02 14:59:31 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
What would the Republic fleet have done if it were not intercepted by the Federation Navy? Where would it have gone? What would it have done if the Federation refused to negotiate with it?


As things happened, they were intercepted.

What did happen was grim enough: It is neither fair nor constructive to use purely hypothetical tragedies as the foundation for your response.


The thing is, Stitcher, the entire scenario was so far outside the bounds of what I'd consider reasonable. An ally stabbed us in the back. That the blow wasn't a killing one doesn't somehow make it better.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#152 - 2013-08-02 15:01:11 UTC
The response to an unreasonable infraction shouldn't be to compound it with further unreasonableness.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2013-08-02 15:05:07 UTC
If a friend stabs you, cutting your arm, and then refuses to offer any explanation, would you still want to be their friend?

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#154 - 2013-08-02 15:22:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
That's not really a good analogy. Governments may be composed of individuals, but they are not individuals in their own right. One hand can and does act without the other's knowledge and permission.

We get protest marches in the State sometimes. They're not anywhere near as frequent as they are in the Federation or Republic, but they happen. If one percent of the crowd abuse the occasion by burning CorpSec vehicles and looting storefronts, is it reasonable to conclude that the other ninety-nine percent were complicit? would that justfiy responding with overwhelming force to all civil disobedience?

Some of the megas think so. KK certainly did, and the result was Armour Forge, a well-televised act of heroism by a certain MTAC driver, and five years of... well. We know what the last five years have been like for the Caldari, and especially for Kaalakiota. The fact that the woman who oversaw the heavy-handed policies which gave us Armor Forge in the first place is being welcomed back as a vastly superior alternative to the man who supplanted her is an... irony I've given some thought to recently. Shrewd as she is, Tibus Heth was a devil of Haatakan Oiritsu's own making.

You can't apply the same logic to groups of people that you can to individuals. The response has to be that however much you may dislike continuing to be their friend as a result of the cut on your arm, it will be better for the Federation in the long term if they just... let it go. While there certainly is a threshold beyond which that kind of abuse must meet with a consequence, the question must be asked - has that threshold been reached yet?

The Federation has to weigh up what it gains from the Republic versus what it loses, and what it stands to gain and lose in the future. As an outsider, I evaluate it as still being profitable to the Federation to forgive and move on, for now.

This being a Democracy we're talking about though, the Federation's decision makers are less likely to go for what's best for their nation, than for what's best for their tenure in office.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#155 - 2013-08-02 15:26:42 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
It is possible that she's suffering from long term side-effects stemming from the medical treatment her current clone received from Kabuki TransSolar. We were a little short on certain perishables (such as whole blood), and had to improvise a bit.

Don't leave us hanging, Kaika. It sounds as if the very fabric of reality depends on it.

... Diana's "reality", anyway.


It's really just the smallest of things. She needed blood, and the only ones there were Tukkaara and myself. He has the wrong blood type to donate to her, so...


So as well as being a half-breed...

...she literally has Gallente blood in her.

The universe is very sweet sometimes.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#156 - 2013-08-02 15:44:24 UTC
Anyone care to give me odds on how likely it is that her next comment will include the word "lie" or "lies", or something to that effect?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#157 - 2013-08-02 15:50:10 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Anyone care to give me odds on how likely it is that her next comment will include the word "lie" or "lies", or something to that effect?


I personally expect her to mysteriously vanish for a while.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#158 - 2013-08-02 15:52:24 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
Anyone care to give me odds on how likely it is that her next comment will include the word "lie" or "lies", or something to that effect?


I personally expect her to mysteriously vanish for a while.


The odds are pretty close to 100%, Verin. As for her mysteriously vanishing... well. I think her reality's been torn open enough she could fit through the hole, but we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2013-08-02 17:37:30 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
That's not really a good analogy. Governments may be composed of individuals, but they are not individuals in their own right. One hand can and does act without the other's knowledge and permission.

We get protest marches in the State sometimes. They're not anywhere near as frequent as they are in the Federation or Republic, but they happen. If one percent of the crowd abuse the occasion by burning CorpSec vehicles and looting storefronts, is it reasonable to conclude that the other ninety-nine percent were complicit? would that justfiy responding with overwhelming force to all civil disobedience?


Of course not, yet that is also a poor analogy. Colelie wasn't the result of random individuals within the Republic. It was a task force of capital ships of the Republic Fleet. The leadership of Electus Matari stated that they had been contacted, as well, by the Republic Fleet and asked to provide support.

This isn't analagous to one percent of a crowd burning and looting at a protest rally. This was literally a major government ordering its military to attack an ally.

I have no desire to punish the Republic. I don't want to see a war with the Republic. What I want is for the Federation to acknowledge that the Republic attacked it and to take steps to guard against future attacks.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#160 - 2013-08-02 23:00:51 UTC
Stitcher wrote:


The Federation has to weigh up what it gains from the Republic versus what it loses, and what it stands to gain and lose in the future. As an outsider, I evaluate it as still being profitable to the Federation to forgive and move on, for now.


Having shown the wolf your belly, it's not the best idea to show it your back.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.