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Blue on blue attacks - Diana Kim, Pyre Falcon, The Republic, The Federation

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#361 - 2013-08-15 13:41:19 UTC
Anja Suorsa wrote:
I've seen that holo. Wasted an hour and a half of my life.

Oh come on! Yeah, Raphael De Sade wasn't the best choice for Captain Ganoix, but you have to admit the plot was solid and the special effects were decent.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#362 - 2013-08-15 13:47:48 UTC
I thought his name was Captain Jacques Moineau? Or am I thinking of a different holo entirely?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#363 - 2013-08-15 14:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Anja Suorsa
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Anja Suorsa wrote:
I've seen that holo. Wasted an hour and a half of my life.

Oh come on! Yeah, Raphael De Sade wasn't the best choice for Captain Ganoix


Correct, he was the worst possible choice. Appaling actor.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
but you have to admit the plot was solid and the special effects were decent.


I will conceide that the effects were passable. The Plot was thin and the script weak; probably drawn up on the back of a cigarette packet. Call me a critic.

It's a shame because it could have been a very good watch.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#364 - 2013-08-15 14:11:03 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I thought his name was Captain Jacques Moineau? Or am I thinking of a different holo entirely?

Well I'm talking about Privateers of the Cloudsea, which, although it portrays fictional characters, is an at least partially historically-accurate portrayal of piratical skyship captains during the Skyship Wars on Gallente Prime. The main character was Captain Everett Ganoix, who was notionally a privateer in service of Hueremont, but in actuality simply raided any ships he could take in a fight.

Jacques Moineau was an actual historical figure with a very similar story - off of whom Everett Ganoix was largely based, as a matter of fact - which is the source of the confusion. There are several documentaries about the life of Moineau, some of which are heavily dramatized.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#365 - 2013-08-15 15:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ava Starfire
Diana Kim wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:
because she claims the opposite.
she constantly claims to personally best any 'foreign' pilot she meets in space.

pointing out factual discrepancies in her claims is, to put it bluntly, required.
While most see straight through her somewhat rabid lies, not all do.
Simply put, the truth will, and must, be told.

If I will need help with analysing and improving my skills, I would ask for advice of a real combat expert...


You rang?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#366 - 2013-08-15 21:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: iyammarrok
Diana Kim wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:
Verin, I am sure your solo and small gang combat record far exceeds Diana's.
Hell, from the looks of things, mine does.

I don't personally count 20:1 odds as combat. not unless the target vessel far outclasses each of the attackers and stands a chance. otherwise it's at best, an execution, or to be more apt, bullying, as capsuleers don't get more than a bruised ego and wallet from such losses.

Such 'victories' don't make her a good pilot.
In fact, as has been seen in her attacks upon other Caldari pilots, quite the opposite is true.

Buy some glasses and learn to read combat reports, ignorant gallentean scum.



Already done that, well, except for the glasses part.
Most of your victories come when you are in fleets exceeding 10 pilots.
Most of your losses come from much smaller enemy groups. quite often solo pilots.
You'd probably do quite well in a 200 man nullsec blob.

While the current moderation system of this summit does not allow for links to the public capsuleer combat record, it is a simple matter to search for your name.

You should also perhaps refrain from calling someone ignorant if you are still unwilling to refer to them by their ethnicity.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#367 - 2013-08-16 01:27:54 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:

You rang?

I WHO?!!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#368 - 2013-08-16 01:28:49 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:

Already done that, well, except for the glasses part.
Most of your victories come when you are in fleets exceeding 10 pilots.
Most of your losses come from much smaller enemy groups. quite often solo pilots.
You'd probably do quite well in a 200 man nullsec blob.

While the current moderation system of this summit does not allow for links to the public capsuleer combat record, it is a simple matter to search for your name.

You should also perhaps refrain from calling someone ignorant if you are still unwilling to refer to them by their ethnicity.

Ignorant means ignorant.
You again show us you can't read combat reports.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#369 - 2013-08-16 05:05:39 UTC
He's saying he's INTAKI, Kim. Not Gallente.

And, of course, he's saying that you not knowing the difference makes YOU ignorant.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#370 - 2013-08-16 05:07:32 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:

You rang?

I WHO?!!


You What?

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#371 - 2013-08-16 12:20:03 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
He's saying he's INTAKI, Kim. Not Gallente.

Well, she still hasn't demontrated the intelligence neccessary to make that distinction for me, and I've actually explicitly stated it several times - why do you expect she'll do it for anyone else?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#372 - 2013-08-16 12:33:59 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
He's saying he's INTAKI, Kim. Not Gallente.

Well, she still hasn't demontrated the intelligence neccessary to make that distinction for me, and I've actually explicitly stated it several times - why do you expect she'll do it for anyone else?

I think it's clear by this point that to Diana, if you're not Caldari or disagree with her, you're Gallentean or might as well be.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#373 - 2013-08-16 12:42:28 UTC
It certainly seems to be a political, rather than racial distinction on her part, even though her words are most definitely aimed at the Gallente race. Then again this may be a commentry of the Gallente 'way of life' instead of the race as a whole, but I try not to understand the thought process that put race before merit as a qualifier for judging an individual.

That being said, I am most definitely Intaki, and Kim-haani is yet to accuse me of being Gallentean. In fact the few times we have spoken, she has been very polite. Clearly not a trend that continues in public forums, but it was pleasant to hear at the time.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#374 - 2013-08-16 13:33:55 UTC
Well the fact is even if she's talking about the Gallente "way of life," her idea of what that lifestyle consists of is woefully inaccurate. She seems to believe - like a child, really - that all the worst stereotypes apply to literally everyone in the ethnic group. She honestly seems to think all Gallenteans are indolent, solipsistic, heedlessly hedonistic self-idolators with no sense of community spirit or collective integrity. Actually, most Gallenteans have lives, jobs, families, friends, social groups, hopes, dreams and fears just like anyone does. Put the average Gallentean office worker next to the average Caldari office worker and you'll be hard-pressed to tell the difference - they might look a little different, hold differing political opinions, but I guarantee you they'd be able to strike up a conversation about the inefficiencies and minor irritations in their workplace or the perks of the bar they retire to on Friday nights after the office has closed.

Most Gallenteans are "hedonistic" only by the austere standards of Amarr monasteries or those who consider eating anything more nuanced than dry rations "decadence." It's true that Gallentean Federal citizens enjoy the highest average quality of life of any demographic in the cluster, but they didn't achieve this by being lazy or self-absorbed. Semitransparent clothing and legalised hallucinogenics might seem strange to outsiders, but corporate rulership or daily prayers seem equally strange to Gallenteans. Heck, I'm Intaki, and there's a lot of things about me that Gallenteans don't understand, and to be honest, vice versa.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#375 - 2013-08-16 13:37:16 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Heck, I'm Intaki, and there's a lot of things about me that Gallenteans don't understand, and to be honest, vice versa.


Like transparent sunglasses?

HEY-O!

But seriously now, good post.

Katrina Oniseki

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#376 - 2013-08-16 13:42:30 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
It's true that Gallentean Federal citizens enjoy the highest average quality of life of any demographic in the cluster...


According to the metrics used by a survey commissioned by a Gallentean university, yes.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#377 - 2013-08-16 13:52:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Like transparent sunglasses?

HEY-O!

They're not transparent sunglasses. They're just transparent glasses.

Stitcher wrote:
According to the metrics used by a survey commissioned by a Gallentean university, yes.

Metrics used by a survey commissioned by an Amarrian university state that True Amarrians have on average the highest strength of religious belief of any demographic in the cluster. Doesn't mean I don't believe them.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#378 - 2013-08-16 14:05:24 UTC
The difference is that strength of religious feeling is a linear, well-defined metric. There's not really any argument about what the term "more religious" means.

"Quality of life" however is very subjective. What does it mean? Average holistic health? Lifespan? emotional well-being? combined value of all possessions? square meterage of personal living space? An aggregate of all of those things and more?

If you don't consider owning many possessions and a large house to play any role in quality of life, then the fact that most Gallentean families have larger homes and more stuff is largely irrelevant. If you consider it perfectly possible for somebody to have a high quality of life despite being obese and diabetic, then the fact that nearly all State citizens are in excellent health doesn't really matter in a side-by-side comparison.

Some people live happily with a spartan lifestyle and a healthy body, others live happily with an extravagant one and no real regard for their physique. There's no objective standard by which one's life is better than the other, though of course I favour the former myself.

So if a Gallentean univeristy claims that the Federation has the highest average quality of living in New Eden, I'm inclined to ask - "by what standards"?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#379 - 2013-08-16 20:11:58 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
ONE MAN IS NOT THE STATE.

I apologise to those of delicate sensibilities for the shouting, but it seems that one of us has forgotten that and needs to be reminded. Heth is not the State. Oritsuu is not the State. Kim is not the State. Gesakaarin is not the State.

The State is all of us. When one man falls out of step with the formation it behoves HIM to get back in time, the State will not adjust it's tempo. What's amazing to me is that we have Gallente who understand this. We have Khanid who understand this. Intaki. Sebiestor. Amarrian. There's just one person who can't seem to get it through her head.



Aww, Sebbies get a mention, but Vhero don't? I'm hurt, Pieter.



Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
While a Hookbill is a very capable frigate, it's still basically made of window glass and damp paper.


Maybe if it's fit LML and pure kite. I've seen some pretty durable hookbills out there, and even with just a damage control, it's got a lot more durability than most kiters.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Sorry to bust in here on the Kim hate fest, but...

So what?

Also, so what if she runs away more often than she fights? Bravery counts for little, victory counts for everything. Avoid the fights you can't win, and then win the fights you can by whatever means necessary.


Honestly, I do have to agree with Mr. Thessalonia here. It's one thing to take risks in a fight you "might not win" or even "will probably lose," especially if you're really only putting yourself on the line, but it's absolutely pointless to go into a fight you absolutely can't win.

And, people who complain about the lack of "fair fights," there's no such thing as a fair fight. Even an honorable 1v1 duel, one of the duelists will be superior to the other and win.

yammarrok wrote:
because she claims the opposite.
she constantly claims to personally best any 'foreign' pilot she meets in space.


I don't think I've ever seen her claim she only fights solo. Though, I can attest that she's not incompetent in 1v1 fights from personal experience.

Stitcher wrote:
So if a Gallentean univeristy claims that the Federation has the highest average quality of living in New Eden, I'm inclined to ask - "by what standards"?


By Gallentean standards, of course. Didn't you know that those are the only standards that matter?