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Blue on blue attacks - Diana Kim, Pyre Falcon, The Republic, The Federation

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Anslo
Scope Works
#341 - 2013-08-14 18:00:03 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
ONE MAN IS NOT THE STATE.

I apologise to those of delicate sensibilities for the shouting, but it seems that one of us has forgotten that and needs to be reminded. Heth is not the State. Oritsuu is not the State. Kim is not the State. Gesakaarin is not the State.

The State is all of us. When one man falls out of step with the formation it behoves HIM to get back in time, the State will not adjust it's tempo. What's amazing to me is that we have Gallente who understand this. We have Khanid who understand this. Intaki. Sebiestor. Amarrian. There's just one person who can't seem to get it through her head.

You seem....upset, suuolo...

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Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#342 - 2013-08-14 18:00:28 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Ran into her with a very fast Hookbill. The six of us couldn't catch the stupid thing so...meh.


Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
So, in other words, fleeing rapidly from decadent and corrupt Gallente who need to die?

Fleeing is about all she does. Her kill statistics mask the methods she uses to secure kills.


While I've pretty much washed my hands of Kim, I've got to laugh at these sorts of petty attempts to score points on her. While a Hookbill is a very capable frigate, it's still basically made of window glass and damp paper. She flees from overwhelming odds while operating in enemy-held systems? That seems like pretty sound tactics right there. In her position (and I have been in her position) I'd do (and have done) the same: Attack and kill what you can, avoid what you can't, and help slow down the wheels of enemy industry.

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Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#343 - 2013-08-14 18:01:29 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
ONE MAN IS NOT THE STATE.

I apologise to those of delicate sensibilities for the shouting, but it seems that one of us has forgotten that and needs to be reminded. Heth is not the State. Oritsuu is not the State. Kim is not the State. Gesakaarin is not the State.

The State is all of us. When one man falls out of step with the formation it behoves HIM to get back in time, the State will not adjust it's tempo. What's amazing to me is that we have Gallente who understand this. We have Khanid who understand this. Intaki. Sebiestor. Amarrian. There's just one person who can't seem to get it through her head.


No need to apologize, Captain Tuulinen. Sometimes a sharp jolt is needed to draw one's focus back to important matters. One of the things that I admire about the State is the ability to not only foster a sense of unity and purpose, but to also encourage competition and pride in one's work. Each individual works towards the betterment of the whole...and while the health of the State is important, the State does not forget the individuals who contribute to the overall health and efficiency of it. It also does not forget those that have attempted to disrupt that same efficiency for personal glory or deluded purpose.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#344 - 2013-08-14 18:03:19 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Ran into her with a very fast Hookbill. The six of us couldn't catch the stupid thing so...meh.


Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
So, in other words, fleeing rapidly from decadent and corrupt Gallente who need to die?

Fleeing is about all she does. Her kill statistics mask the methods she uses to secure kills.


While I've pretty much washed my hands of Kim, I've got to laugh at these sorts of petty attempts to score points on her. While a Hookbill is a very capable frigate, it's still basically made of window glass and damp paper. She flees from overwhelming odds while operating in enemy-held systems? That seems like pretty sound tactics right there. In her position (and I have been in her position) I'd do (and have done) the same: Attack and kill what you can, avoid what you can't, and help slow down the wheels of enemy industry.

I am merely pointing out some of her hypocrisies as she constantly and consistently derides anyone and claims they are not worth her time and that she is quite capable of killing as many Gallente as she wants when she wants to.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security
#345 - 2013-08-14 18:13:00 UTC
I can't help but wonder whether or not Kim's pretty much threw out all sense of caution, get in a relatively cheap ship, come over here to Gallente hi-sec, and attacked random Gallente pilots knowing that she'll get beaten to a pulp by Concord and possibly podded by some more rather... immoral and reckless Capsuleers at some point.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#346 - 2013-08-14 18:21:33 UTC
Alex Etolle wrote:
I can't help but wonder whether or not Kim's pretty much threw out all sense of caution, get in a relatively cheap ship, come over here to Gallente hi-sec, and attacked random Gallente pilots knowing that she'll get beaten to a pulp by Concord and possibly podded by some more rather... immoral and reckless Capsuleers at some point.


I've long been chewing over this as a possibility. The problem, as I see it, is that our loiter time in Gallente space is limited (or we'll be fighting their donut munchers) and the local system would be full of Gallente loyalists that we can't attack without Concord getting involved, but who can all be passing intel to their FDU buddies.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#347 - 2013-08-14 18:33:42 UTC
Alex Etolle wrote:
I can't help but wonder whether or not Kim's pretty much threw out all sense of caution, get in a relatively cheap ship, come over here to Gallente hi-sec, and attacked random Gallente pilots knowing that she'll get beaten to a pulp by Concord and possibly podded by some more rather... immoral and reckless Capsuleers at some point.

Been there, done that.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security
#348 - 2013-08-14 18:36:50 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Alex Etolle wrote:
I can't help but wonder whether or not Kim's pretty much threw out all sense of caution, get in a relatively cheap ship, come over here to Gallente hi-sec, and attacked random Gallente pilots knowing that she'll get beaten to a pulp by Concord and possibly podded by some more rather... immoral and reckless Capsuleers at some point.


I've long been chewing over this as a possibility. The problem, as I see it, is that our loiter time in Gallente space is limited (or we'll be fighting their donut munchers) and the local system would be full of Gallente loyalists that we can't attack without Concord getting involved, but who can all be passing intel to their FDU buddies.


You Pieter, understand why it's a bad idea and from what I've read on the IGS, have some self-control when it comes to this stuff. Kim on the other hand.... yeah considering how "loyal" she is to the State, and how much she hates my kind, it would not surprise me to see her trying to attack Gallente pilots in Sinq Laison. *sigths* I swear, she hates the Federation probably as much as I hate Sansha Kuvakei.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#349 - 2013-08-14 20:23:35 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:

While I've pretty much washed my hands of Kim, I've got to laugh at these sorts of petty attempts to score points on her. While a Hookbill is a very capable frigate, it's still basically made of window glass and damp paper. She flees from overwhelming odds while operating in enemy-held systems? That seems like pretty sound tactics right there. In her position (and I have been in her position) I'd do (and have done) the same: Attack and kill what you can, avoid what you can't, and help slow down the wheels of enemy industry.

I am merely pointing out some of her hypocrisies as she constantly and consistently derides anyone and claims they are not worth her time and that she is quite capable of killing as many Gallente as she wants when she wants to.


Her combat record is publicly available Shintoko.
While she has a large number of kills, the vast majority of these are during times where she has been in a fleet of 10-20 other pilots and has caught a lone Federation or Matari pilot.

Her solo combat record is, to say the least, atrocious.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#350 - 2013-08-14 20:27:39 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:

While I've pretty much washed my hands of Kim, I've got to laugh at these sorts of petty attempts to score points on her. While a Hookbill is a very capable frigate, it's still basically made of window glass and damp paper. She flees from overwhelming odds while operating in enemy-held systems? That seems like pretty sound tactics right there. In her position (and I have been in her position) I'd do (and have done) the same: Attack and kill what you can, avoid what you can't, and help slow down the wheels of enemy industry.

I am merely pointing out some of her hypocrisies as she constantly and consistently derides anyone and claims they are not worth her time and that she is quite capable of killing as many Gallente as she wants when she wants to.


Her combat record is publicly available Shintoko.
While she has a large number of kills, the vast majority of these are during times where she has been in a fleet of 10-20 other pilots and has caught a lone Federation or Matari pilot.

Her solo combat record is, to say the least, atrocious.


Sorry to bust in here on the Kim hate fest, but...

So what?

Also, so what if she runs away more often than she fights? Bravery counts for little, victory counts for everything. Avoid the fights you can't win, and then win the fights you can by whatever means necessary.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#351 - 2013-08-14 20:39:54 UTC
because she claims the opposite.
she constantly claims to personally best any 'foreign' pilot she meets in space.

pointing out factual discrepancies in her claims is, to put it bluntly, required.
While most see straight through her somewhat rabid lies, not all do.
Simply put, the truth will, and must, be told.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#352 - 2013-08-14 23:26:17 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
because she claims the opposite.
she constantly claims to personally best any 'foreign' pilot she meets in space.

pointing out factual discrepancies in her claims is, to put it bluntly, required.
While most see straight through her somewhat rabid lies, not all do.
Simply put, the truth will, and must, be told.

If I will need help with analysing and improving my skills, I would ask for advice of a real combat expert.
The opinion of a dullwitted gallentean loudmouth, who hasn't smelled gunpowder, I would prefer to crumble and throw into waste bin, where it should belong.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#353 - 2013-08-15 05:27:24 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
ONE MAN IS NOT THE STATE.

I apologise to those of delicate sensibilities for the shouting, but it seems that one of us has forgotten that and needs to be reminded. Heth is not the State. Oritsuu is not the State. Kim is not the State. Gesakaarin is not the State.

The State is all of us. When one man falls out of step with the formation it behoves HIM to get back in time, the State will not adjust it's tempo. What's amazing to me is that we have Gallente who understand this. We have Khanid who understand this. Intaki. Sebiestor. Amarrian. There's just one person who can't seem to get it through her head.


When your homeworld is deep in Caldari territory, you do tend to pick up a few things.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#354 - 2013-08-15 10:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
In all fairness, Kim's combat record since the start of her career is better than my own for the same interval by no small margin, and I've somehow acquired a reputation as a badass. (although I daresay she's never had a Navy admiral compliment her on, quote: "the ballsiest bit of flying I've ever seen.")

That's because I view violence as a means to an end, and most of the ends I value aren't accomplished through violence. She's walking her talk at least. The problem is that her talk is a ceaseless inane babble of violent bigotry and paranoid delusion.

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Author of The Deathworlders
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#355 - 2013-08-15 10:22:29 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
and I've somehow acquired a reputation as a badass.


It's the beard.

ॐ
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#356 - 2013-08-15 10:30:11 UTC
Verin, I am sure your solo and small gang combat record far exceeds Diana's.
Hell, from the looks of things, mine does.

I don't personally count 20:1 odds as combat. not unless the target vessel far outclasses each of the attackers and stands a chance. otherwise it's at best, an execution, or to be more apt, bullying, as capsuleers don't get more than a bruised ego and wallet from such losses.

Such 'victories' don't make her a good pilot.
In fact, as has been seen in her attacks upon other Caldari pilots, quite the opposite is true.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#357 - 2013-08-15 10:40:38 UTC
Oh, and Diana, I have smelled gunpowder, we used to make it in one of the more obscure historical classes during my tenure as a professor.
Quite often we'd use it to supply the Cannonade at the Intaki renaissance festival.
Strange that you would bring it up though, The last cannon to be fired in any form of real conflict was over a thousand years ago, well, the last 'gunpowder' cannon. Most changed to much more efficient means of ordnance propulsion long ago.

Still, I wouldn't expect that you did much research into military history. It's not like that is, in general, an important part of any war studies syllabus or anything.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#358 - 2013-08-15 12:46:35 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Verin, I am sure your solo and small gang combat record far exceeds Diana's.
Hell, from the looks of things, mine does.

I don't personally count 20:1 odds as combat. not unless the target vessel far outclasses each of the attackers and stands a chance. otherwise it's at best, an execution, or to be more apt, bullying, as capsuleers don't get more than a bruised ego and wallet from such losses.

Such 'victories' don't make her a good pilot.
In fact, as has been seen in her attacks upon other Caldari pilots, quite the opposite is true.

Buy some glasses and learn to read combat reports, ignorant gallentean scum.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#359 - 2013-08-15 12:47:14 UTC
Gunpowder? Avast ye, me hearties! I be the mightiest skypirate to ever roam the cloud-oceans a' Morthane, landlubber!

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#360 - 2013-08-15 13:05:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Anja Suorsa
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Gunpowder? Avast ye, me hearties! I be the mightiest skypirate to ever roam the cloud-oceans a' Morthane, landlubber!


I've seen that holo. Wasted an hour and a half of my life.