Intergalactic Summit

Unlikely?

Consider the percentage of Federal citizens... Federal voters who identify as Matari.

Consider the disquiet expressed over time by those voters over tribal-esque tattoos as a shallow fashion statement. Or the recent case of what constitutes ethnic identity at the Center of Advanced Studies. Consider the outcry that followed the entire Broteau affair and continues to this day.

How content are those Matari voters?

And now, a terrorist attack by the Bloody Hands of Matar that appears to validate the calls from some, for an end to the Federation/Republic alliance.

And next year an election year...

I would not be at all surprised if the Senate is thinking about this too.

If this is allowed to escalate, all of those Matari voters might suddenly seem like something of a concern, and perhaps a little less Federal than they were before. And we all know what happens if the Senate feels voters' can't be trusted, don't we? We only have to look to the violation of voters' rights in Placid at the last election for that.

Should Matari find their voting rights taken away due to Tribal affiliation or ethnic loyalty, just as others did in YC111 due to military occupation, then the election's potential outcome would be changed completely. The Social Democratic Party would have reason to be very confident under those circumstances, and hardline nationalism would definately not be outside the realms of possibility.

Whether the people would have retained their free will at the ballot box or found themselves influenced by a hostile foreign power, the Senate decided their votes could not be trusted.

The end result was the same.

Much like you Pyre pilots were doing in Minmatar space a short time ago, right Surosa?

Glass houses, stones, etc.

Think the word you are really looking for is vengeance.

If vengeance was as broadly applicable as some of you seem to think, Matari Standard would only have one verb.

Why her and not them? Because the Matari by and large are screaming for their blood-kin (or whatever term we want to use this week) to be released from slavery within the Empire and its territories - not the genocide of all Amarrians.

Diana Kim advocates genocide. Actual extermination of the people who reside in the Federation, consider themselves its citizens, or are affiliated by blood and family ties.

What you got from your little switcheroo there, was the rhetoric of the Shakorites and their best buddies. Not the Matari people as a whole.

Remind me Vikarion.
Heth rose to power via the popular backing of the Caldari people did he not?
Heth was the head of state for the Caldari for five years. yes?
Heth was granted his position by the megacorporations was he not?

So, you agree wholeheartedly with his actions and political stance? Ergo, you agree with Diana Kim, as do all of your fellow Caldari. right?

Sarcasm aside. Shakor was elected in an election where he was the ONLY candidate. Had only one vote been cast, he would still have held as high a percentage of the vote as he would have if 100% of Matari had voted.

The bigotry and hatred towards both the federation and matari people that you have shown in that one post, highlights the reasons that the Matari appear to favour an alliance with the Federation over one with your own people.
The sentiment you show, while a minority one, seems far too large a minority amongst Caldari capsuleers than many would, i believe, find easy to swallow.

If anything else, you have shown that you hold no respect for the dead and even enemies, in both life and death, deserve that.

Oh yes, how dare I assist my allies in their conflicts.

Besides, whether I'm in our warzone or the Gallente-Caldari warzone, I'm still fighting almost nothing but squids. So what if I decided to take a page out of your beloved Veiketamo's playbook and go on the offensive? After PYRE fighting in our warzone under claims of "the minmatar are helping the Gallente in our warzone," why shouldn't I follow the same line of reasoning when there's more squids in our warzone than slavers?

And, hey, at least i'm not assisting in the enslavement of a people, unlike you and your buddies when you came/come down to our warzone, so seems I'm still a step ahead of you on the moral compass.




There's quite a few significant differences here, hon. You were fighting in the Minmatar/Amarr warzone while your own was being dominated by the Gallente and in need of your assistance. Additionally, your State was on the verge of Civil War and you were busy helping the Amarr rather than supporting your State in its time of difficulty and civil unrest. On top of all this is the simple fact that helping the Amarr take systems is helping them to enslave more people. These are the things I was calling out Pyre on.

On the other hand, our warzone is not currently being dominated by the Amarr. The Republic isn't on the verge of Civil War. And assisting the Gallente in taking systems in their warzone isn't supporting the enslavement of anyone. And, seeing as the Federation are our allies and things are rather strained between our two nations currently, I and some of my friends thought we'd do our part in trying to help soothe frayed nerves by assisting our allies.

As for my presence in Ichoriya, I was merely visiting some old friends. I did used to live and work in the State, y'know.



I'm sorry, were you under the impression that we had the same sort of representative government that the Federation has? In many ways, the position Shakor holds is no different than the position Heth held. And just as there were those who agree with Heth's position, there are those who agree with Shakor's position. Likewise, there are those who disagree with both. A majority of us in the Republic do share an intense negative emotion towards the Amarr, but as Ms. Lagann said, most Matari are desiring the freedom of our people, not the genocide of the Amarr.



Her legacy lives on. It does not die with her. Whether or not we will live up to it remains to be seen.

You really are dense, aren't you?

I never had a problem with the concept of assisting one's allies. What appalled me was that you would venture so far from your home while it was on the verge of civil war. Were the Republic in such a state, you would not see me in Black Rise.

As for the slavery issue, yes, that is something I will ***** at anyone for assisting with, period, no matter where it happened, and the only relevance it had to your presence in our warzone was simply that by being there, you were facilitating the enslavement of innocent people.

I was not angry at PYRE for simply being in our warzone. I was angry at PYRE for assisting in the enslavement of my people and appalled with the lack of honor shown by fighting elsewhere when your State was having such problems internally.

So no, dear, I'm not hypocritical. What I criticized you has nothing to do with my current actions. Maybe when you grow up, you'll understand the difference.

No, what you critisize us for is clearly beyond your comprehension. You seem to view the world in black and white. Everything either is or is not. Well, here's a news flash for you. It's a little bit more complicated than that, especially in war.

Firstly, I owe you no explanation as I feel I have done enough to discredit you. I will however, out of the kindness of my heart, indulge you in the hope you might understand how the big boys and girls fight wars.

Pyre Falcon operated on the Empire/Republic front legally and with orders from our shareholders. The aim: give Republicans pause for thought, harass their shipping and destroy their assets to prevent their use on our home front. These are some of the most basic strategic ideas behind war. Destroy the enemy in their home so that they must defend it and then they cannot attack elsewhere. That I need to explain this to you at all is laughable in the extreme. It’s a wonder your militia has lasted so long if they share your naivety.

Further, just how much difference do you think our organisation is capable of making? We’re less than twenty pilots. You must have a very high opinion of us indeed if you think our absence on the home front would make any noticeable difference, especially with the likes of Caldari State Capturing and the Templis Dragonaurs (capsuleer alliance) still on the home front, both much stronger and more numerous than ourselves.

As to the civil war you keep mentioning, I must have missed that. I recall in the not so distant past a leader deposed of his position. Calling it a civil war would be a mighty embellishment of the facts. Further, if every citizen of the State were to drop what they were doing to assist in every problem that occurs, then the State itself would collapse. Soldiers continue to fight even when things at home are awry, just as they are expected to do. That you would question our sense of honour and duty for doing the hardest thing of all, that is not returning to help clear up the mess, is insulting to our efforts and the efforts of our dock and ship crews. Our actions during Heth’s removal were among the most patriotic you will find.

And finally, if we have assisted in the enslavement of your people, I say; so what? Your people are as much to blame as us. Had your compatriots not been on our home front enabling the subjugation of our people, our shareholders would likely have felt no need to send us to attack yours. Your compatriots might even have been able to put a stop to our campaign had more of them been at home. Yours are crocodile tears and like most Republicans, you use slavery as an excuse to hide behind for almost everything. It doesn’t wash with me.

Now, if our reasoning still doesn’t make sense to you, I’d suggest we are done talking because you will clearly never understand the basics of war or politics and what they entail. If you do understand and refuse to conciede any of the above points, then I’d suggest we are done talking as you are clearly incapable of engaging in conversation with any degree of objectivity. The only people of the cluster who continually moan foul play are your own. Sometimes your people are justified. In this case you are not as is plain to see to objective observers. You will remain a hypocrite regardless.

Have a nice day.