EVE General Discussion

From the TEST forums, Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:33



I have no dealings with GG, but I don't like how you guys turn this thread into a vicious ad hominem attack against one of my allies.

I don't understand why there is so much hate about this guy. I usually enjoy his articles, which brings a different and sometimes refreshing perspective to the game.

He is arrogant, ok. He sometimes speak as if what he says must be taken as a generally true statement when its only a point of view. But then, you just have to use your critical sense.

His article about competitive and objective oriented people was really intersting according to me, and there has been others.

But it is just stupid to try to censor him, as censorship in general is a stupid thing.


This is a nice combo. "I say the complete TRUTH, he knows NOTHING". That statement is either a big lie or a proof of stupidity. He has to know at least a little bit, since he make a lot of money. He just does not play according to your playstyle, but Eve is a sandbox. It is designed to allow several way to enjoy it. I think the guy understand your way of playing better than you understand his. The only issue is that he is showing some sort of wariness about your playstyle and promotes an alternative, when you only show complete disdain for his.

Considering all the hate in this thread I have taken the time to read his 2 newest posts on EN24 and the one referred in this thread:

• New scam: contract margin trade warns about a scam he fell for. VERY useful information
• PvP vs objectives apply the concepts of being competitive vs. objective-orientated on the different activities in EvE and explain how the same activity can view viewed completely different depending on your focus. This is an interesting view and it parallels the product vs. process-orientated personality type concepts used in RL management
• EVE Online AUR to save DUST 514 make the suggestion to let EVE and DUST interact through AUR. It is a must-read for CCP beancounters IMO

From this little sample it seems he write informative and interesting articles. However most of the comments to his posts contribute nothing, so if anything were to be removed I would suggest that the comments to his articles was shut down.

Gotta read something when I take a s#% t. May as well be EN24

What are you talking about? I'm already the Pirate Queen so what other infamy do I need? And you are right about one thing. His "thinking" would revolutionize Eve to a point where pve is glorified and combat trivialized. He fails to understand the pretense of combat let alone it"s merits and forsakes small gang pvp as meaningless.

I guess if all I cared about was my wallet flashing and my isk balance was considered "endgame" I daresay I'd have the same mindset.

Greed is good folks. Remember that.

Margin trade scam - all known knowledge and he doesn't even understand why it happened, so it doesn't provide any useful information. As far as I can tell it was the "specific item" scam by the way. Your contract relies on receiving an item that is specifically generated with its own id for your character, so it's impossible fr someone to do unless they have the EXACT item you used to create the contract.

PvP vs objectives - utter nonsense. It's basically talking about how objectives matter over PvP skill because that's what he's currently into. It treats PvP players like they aren't setting objectives, because if HE can't measure your target from an external point of view, its not measurable. Since he decides exactly the type of person that fits into competitive and objective, he decides their motives and outcomes, so it's utterly meaningless. It's like me getting a red toy car and a blue toy car, moving them both myself with my hand, and making the blue one win then claiming this proves blue is faster.

EVE Online AUR to save DUST 514 - Again a pointless topic. He says you cant trade isk as it would break the economy, so trade aur. But aur you can buy for isk, so it's the same thing... He also seems to think the economy is what causes DUST to fail to kick off, but realistically it's because console FPS players generally don't care about the meta, they just want to shoot stuff. The rest of the problems with DUST is that is simply hasn't been fully integrated yet. Once planetary conquests or whatever it is comes out, it may spur more alliances to push for a DUST team. Then again, next gen consoles are out soon. If it's not moved to PS4, it will simply die.

Surely the quality of his comments will reflect the quality of his post. If everyone's calling it a load of bull, it's not likely to be all their fault. AS soon as his articles go on EN24 you can here the entire community sigh in unison. It's not just EVE though. Look back to 2009-2010 at articles about him from the WoW community. It was the same then.

There, cut to the chase on that post.

I've only visited that Greedy Goblin guy's blog once a few days ago after reading a thread about him in the Missions and Complexes forum (the OP seemed about as butt hurt about Gevlon as you do).

So I went to the blog and read how he used a Cheapfit Marauder with dualboxed logi to do missions and make isk. The tone of the article was fairly smug and imo arrogant, as if it were the greatest PVE thing anyone had ever thought of when in fact something like Dual Boxed domis (w/sentries), typhoons, RR cheapfit wormhole style Tengus or Ravens (supporting with FoF missiles) would have been both cheaper and much MUCH more effective. I didn't like the experience of reading his blog post.

So I, Jenn aSide, Empress (yes Empress because of white girl avatar) of General Discussion came up with this unique, never before heard of, never before tried, totally experimental plan to solve the problem.

I shut down the browser window that had the blog post on it....then I didn't ever go back again. You should maybe try that too.

I expect my noble prize for awesomeness to be in the mail shortly, because no one has ever conceived of a plan such as mine!

There are no prizes on the EVEO Forums.

However, someone may contact you shortly about an opportunity to double your isk.

Yeah, that is the solution. However (yes, there's a however) EN24 is one of 2 main news sites, and they have opposing bias, so generally it's best to read both. EN24 chooses to post Gevlon's nonsense as a news article. That's what the complaint here is about.

As EN24 don't seem to respond to the mass of complaints on it's site about Gevlon, someone chose to raise the topic here. I fully support it and think EN24 should stop publishing Gevlon's articles. He will still get his supporters on his blog and they can go chat nonsense all the want.

People need to learn the difference between news and opinion pieces. His articles are opinion pieces for the most part. Every serious news paper has them and they can be equaly off and soaked in agenda.
I take everything GG writes with a grain of salt, often i roll my eyes but occasionaly he has some good ideas or gives me a good ideas by extrapolating from his ideas due to his outside of box thinking approach and that's why i keep reading his blog.

As for his wealth, i don't think he's lying about that. Only think he hasn't revealed all his income sources. I can confirm that he infact trades implants and skill books as he states. Lot of the big and aggressive orders on the market are indeed his.