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Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
#41 - 2013-07-27 16:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Barzai Mekhar
Necroromantic wrote:
however I'm sure that quality was removed in favour of equal distribution of ALL missions for the very reason i'm posting.. this system lacked variability in missions and funnelled players into mission hubs overpopulating a few systems while other systems lay empty of players - a problem that still very much exists regardless lol.


This assumption seems to be wrong based on other threads in this forum (e.g. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115227). It's not clear whether each agent has an individual pool or if it is shared e.g. by region, but the general consens seems to be that the available missions are more limited than "all level 3 missions are available from all level 3 agents". This pretty much makes the rest of your argument invalid and seems a more likely explanation than "the rng is broken".
Necroromantic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-07-27 19:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Necroromantic
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Necroromantic wrote:
however I'm sure that quality was removed in favour of equal distribution of ALL missions for the very reason i'm posting.. this system lacked variability in missions and funnelled players into mission hubs overpopulating a few systems while other systems lay empty of players - a problem that still very much exists regardless lol.


This assumption seems to be wrong based on other threads in this forum (e.g. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115227). It's not clear whether each agent has an individual pool or if it is shared e.g. by region, but the general consens seems to be that the available missions are more limited than "all level 3 missions are available from all level 3 agents". This pretty much makes the rest of your argument invalid and seems a more likely explanation than "the rng is broken".



Thanks for the link it was an interesting read. However it is still player speculation without any input from CCP.. I petitioned this query not because i wanted to stop the trollers having their fun but because i wanted actual game information NOT speculation.. and as is to be expected all i get from forum is speculation and trolls Sad i guess i don't run enough accounts to warrant the time it would take for a Dev to actually reply... as for my argument being broken i'm not sure how a footnote in the conversation regarding the change from agents having a quality level of between minus 18 and plus 18 to the system we have now that actually doesn't give any clear indication of whether an agent is worth using - warrants such a statement, unless of course thats just a polite way to say F**k off.. and as thats the only real sentiment i have received both from the people i pay my stinking fees too and the community trolls i guess its no real shock that i that wanted to petition rather than throw myself to the trolls.Roll

Quick see if you can spot the grammer and spelling mistakes b4 someone else does.. i left them just for you!! :)
Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
#43 - 2013-07-27 19:42:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Barzai Mekhar
Necroromantic wrote:
as for my argument being broken i'm not sure how a footnote in the conversation regarding the change from agents having a quality level of between minus 18 and plus 18 to the system we have now that actually doesn't give any clear indication of whether an agent is worth using - warrants such a statement, unless of course thats just a polite way to say F**k off..Roll

Necroromantic wrote:

Yeah I think it was better when an agent not only had a level but also had a quality rating too.. however I'm sure that quality was removed in favour of equal distribution of ALL missions for the very reason i'm posting.. this system lacked variability in missions and funnelled players into mission hubs overpopulating a few systems while other systems lay empty of players - a problem that still very much exists regardless lol.


The highlighted part is the core of your argument and it's inconsistent with the general observations other people have made. Since you don't know if you really missed a mission or if the pool of your agents is extremely limited you can't conclude that the RNG is broken based on not receiving a mission listed on a third party side. A far more siginificant statement would be that a certain mission occured only once or twice in 300 missions.

Even if this was the case, it wouldn't rule out that some missions are less common or rare by intention.

In the end all that remains without details of the internal workings of mission distribution (which CCP is unlikely to provide) is that your current selection of agents offers missions that *feel* repetitive, which has nothing to do with a broken RNG but is simply feedback - hence the GM's suggestion to post in the feedback and suggestions board....
Necroromantic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-07-27 21:17:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Necroromantic
Barzai Mekhar wrote:


The highlighted part is the core of your argument and it's inconsistent with the general observations other people have made. Since you don't know if you really missed a mission or if the pool of your agents is extremely limited you can't conclude that the RNG is broken based on not receiving a mission listed on a third party side. A far more siginificant statement would be that a certain mission occured only once or twice in 300 missions.

Even if this was the case, it wouldn't rule out that some missions are less common or rare by intention.

In the end all that remains without details of the internal workings of mission distribution (which CCP is unlikely to provide) is that your current selection of agents offers missions that *feel* repetitive, which has nothing to do with a broken RNG but is simply feedback - hence the GM's suggestion to post in the feedback and suggestions board....


Actually i think i'm quite capable of telling myself what my own points are...

1. I'm P*ssed off by CCP staff treating me A PAYING CUSTOMER like a homeless man sat in their office doorway begging for freebies - at no point have i suggested i need some sort of compensation and frankly i would not except it if offered
2. missions never generated by agents,
3. tightly clumped repeating missions with:
4. spiralling down loot value all with an eye towards players like you reaching for daddy's credit card to buy more PLEX to make up for the huge drop in, in-game profits..

In 8 years of playing this has never been a problem until the introduction of the aptly named expansion RETRIBUTION and then worsening in frequency and the length of time these clumps last when Odyssey was added
and the speed as to which the clumping and loot devaluing ended when i petitioned and added this thread the forum regarding this issue.

Maybe the resistance i am receiving to this thread is based on the fact that maybe for every player who is losing out through this problem like me there is one of you exploiting the fact your mission selection and loot generation has provided you a greater return than usual! -

Level 4.

Best I've ever got:
Mining Misappropriation (Blood)
Gone Berserk (EoM)
Ritualist Raids (Blood)
Gone Berserk (EoM)
Mining Misappropriation (Blood)
Intercept The Saboteurs (Blood)
Gone Berserk (EoM)

Or something like that. Not complaining though. Big smile. - earlier post by Tobias Hareka seems happy with the way missions are clumping together so maybe it is just a matter of gets to exploit this and who gets to lose out and supplement their game with more credit card payments!

However Yes you must be right with 136 level 3 security agent missions to choose from split over 4 territories and taking into account that a lot of missions are race/territory restricted, makes any territory pool about 34 or so now you are saying thats bullsh*t and there's less available selection to the pool than even 1 quarter of ALL possible missions in the pool PROVE IT!!!...

EVE IS A BALANCED GAME FROM CHARACTER CREATION TO DISTRIBUTION OF MISSIONS AND Resources WITH NO RACE HAVING AN ADVANTAGE OVER ANOTHER...
Pray tell why Caldari would get less mission variety than say gallente or amarr???


as stated a few posts back, i have counted back over 300 missions and there are only 27 of what should be at least 34 missions shown within that pool over 14 different agents over 4 different corporations SO I SAY 7 or more missions from the generic caldari missions listed on EVE-Survival missions guides have never been offered...

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A far more significant statement would be that a certain mission occurred only once or twice in 300 missions
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your words!!

i think by the standard you expect me to adhere to is actually lower than the situation i have listed... and i challenge any employee to prove anything i have said to be a lie based solely on the information contained in my games logs (the only information available to me as i'm practically here on my knees begging for more sodding information to go by)

or rather than let us keep having a 'who can p*ss the highest contest' how about you explain how many missions should be available to an agent as the word finite is hardly an accurate description and means feck all in contrast!

Quick see if you can spot the grammer and spelling mistakes b4 someone else does.. i left them just for you!! :)
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