Missions & Complexes

OK, I'm not going to name the lazy GM who can't be bothered to do his job, (but I sure as hell would like too). I am again here to get an answer from DEV'S instead, as told to by said work shy GM ..

Please can you explain the definition of the word 'RANDOM' and then maybe you can do the brainiac thing and tell what the mathematical probability (and show your workings) for 'RANDOMLY' getting, in any 4 hour period, the same 4 missions over and over and over again??? - As driving a wedge 2-2 is NOT random it always follows its opener..

agent missions given...
1. eliminate the pirate campers
2. driving a wedge pt 1
3. driving a wedge pt 2
4. gone berserk
5. unauthorized military presence
6. gone berserk
7. eliminate the pirate campers
8. unauthorized military presence
9. driving a wedge pt 1
10. driving a wedge pt 2

This is just the last 4 hour extract of the same constant issue with the lack of randomness in mission offers ( that i have mentioned in 5 petitions since Retribution) and if i was to be bothered to write down every mission done since the Odyssey Expansion you would see over half the missions that the agents (within Caldari space) SHOULD offer have never come up while i get clusters of repeated missions over and over and as I can only refuse 1 mission in any 4 hour period this now pi*sing me off no end.

I personally think this is a petition not a forum issue but as stated GM's are pathetically useless and apparently this is an in-game 'artwork' issue that the DEV'S should reply to.... So maybe you can explain how mission random generation is an ART issue too

Maybe when thats done you can explain why the term 'Customer Service' means something so very different in England than it does in Iceland!

What a bullsh*t-thread.

Random is random and you get a random mission - this DOES NOT mean that you will have all missions within a given pool.

Hope you got it now - yw!

Even MMOs that are known for excellent PvE content get repetitive in their missions (or quests, or whatever they call them.) The mission won't be called the exact same thing, but you'll find yourself collecting 20 bear butts for 10 different agents in 10 different places for slightly different reasons.

It's something you have to get used to if you do PvE, and if it drives you nuts you don't do PvE at all, I guess.

0.) I'm not a DEV, but I'll just state my opinion since the forum is created for that.
1.) Obviously, this 'issue' is not related to any ARTWORK.
2.) The 'problem' you have described is not an issue or a problem, so I'll stop using those two words in the post.
3.) The chance of DEV coming and responding to this thread is pretty low. But we could increase the chances by typing something funny or attractive to a DEV? Hmm ... if we analyze the forum content and DEV posts, maybe we can predict who and when someone will post.

Random: lack of pattern or predictability in events. Previous missions and time is of interest to no one. Since random is not affected by those two variables. The chance of you getting a mission is ( 1/X ), where X is the number of missions which you can get from a certain agent, in a certain region (could also be named 'mission pool').

What you've experienced is not the lack of randomness, but you're experiencing randomness itself. You're just wasting time by opening new petitions. In order to test randomness, you can get a fair coin. The chance for getting "heads" or "tails" is ( 1/2 ). Yet, within one hundred tosses, you can get "heads" one hundred times. I've done the test before, and one series of tests had 89 times "heads" and only 11 times "tails". To whom should I write petition, because there's "obviously lack of randomness". Random is random - deal with it. You can get the same mission 100% of your time (unless they have a small variable which will disable mission repeating X times in a row). Every time you ask agent for a new mission, the probability of getting either mission M1 or mission Mx is always ( 1/X ). Third, fourth, fifth, sixth mission isn't affected by what mission you have run. Each new mission is an independent event.

You can "increase chances" by having more active agents around. You're either doing some things wrong, or you're farming the only good agent around because of the LP store. If you're farming LP store, then you're getting frustrated, just as in any other game where you think that all forces have joined in a sacred crusade against you. Take a big breath and relax. Stop calling people useless because you're making yourself look bad, especially on such trivial things such as randomness.

What would you do if you got this series of missions: Gone Berserk, Angel Extravaganza, Gone Berserk, Dread Pirate Scarlet, Angel Extravaganza, Dread Pirate Scarlet, Worlds Collide, Gone Berserk, Worlds Collide, Gone Berserk, Worlds Collide, Gone Berserk, Worlds Collide, Worlds Collide, Worlds Collide, Worlds Collide, Dread Pirate Scarlet, ... Would you keep quiet or you would fill a petition? (I think we all know the answer, so there's no need to answer it). Also, the series I've provided may not be in your interest, so just take the series which you would like the most.

Wow, you still lack the ability to get it..

Stop trolling people, and stop wasting valuable GM-time with your stupid petitions. There is no Bug involved - it is random, and random means that there is a chance that you will get the same mission over and over and over and over and over and over and over again - frequently.

I rolled a die 6 times and got all 6's, this die is clearly fixed!

go record 1000 missions and then maybe it will start to mean something if you get more of one than the others.

the other day i got blockade blockade gone berserk blockade. i was a happy mission bear

Gonna respond to specific phrases in your reply. This is not a troll or an attempt to miss-quote your reply.


First of all, I hate how the easy answer to most every question in this game is = Random or RNG.

Your previous missions do have an effect towards the next mission being offered from agent. IE, the same mission is not to be offered again back to back. That was a very big issue for a long time which CCP had supposedly fixed a couple years ago.


Again, as I already stated above, the mission previously completed does in fact affect the agents next mission offer. You're not supposed to get the same mission being offered again and again, back to back. However, a specific mission can be re-offered every other time, thus making it seem like it's being offered repeatedly.


I agree about having other Agents to use, especially Agents in other Divisions within the same NPC corporation if you're looking to only access that corps LP store.

Another thing to think about is other corps within the same Faction. Some will have duplicate items available in their LP store as well. That alone will more than likely change the missions being offered, IE, Military Corp verses Civilian Corp verses Industrial Corp, etc.

That basically covers the answers / options usually accepted by the majority.

Now for my own thoughts about this due to my own experience. I have no proof but I think there's a bit more to it than just specific mission pools for each agent to offer. In the past I've had a lot of other players contradict me and say I'm wrong and that I fail to understand RNG. Again that's an easy answer that requires no explanation, especially when they actually don't know and don't wanna admit it.

Along with the Agent Division and type of Corporation (Military, Civilian, etc), the Agents location may have some influence as well, IE, being next to enemy Faction border systems verses being in the middle of it's Factions secured space. I believe your current standings towards the agent as well as the other Factions also has an influence on the missions being offered. Going hand in hand with that, the type of missions you've also previously accepted and completed.

Of course this is just my opinion. I'm sure there's a lot who will disagree and want to debate it. All I can say is "Been there, done that and won't do it again".



DMC

I've had 3 Scarlets in a row. I'm not complaining.

I don't like the fact they're touching the random generator. But it doesn't seem that it affects the game, even if they've implemented it. Luckily for me, I have three agents within two jumps and I have an alt which can access those agents too. So basically, six mission agents within two jumps. That's not bad. I usually get stuck with two agents on two alts, but luckily there's a third one which always provides me with a mission or two (just enough to kill time when I wake up). But then again, I'm not playing for ISK/LP, but just to relax and shoot some NPCs.

EDIT: The only thing I think they should fix is "Driving a Wedge". Either all missions which have multiple parts should act as "Driving a Wedge" or "Driving a Wedge" should act as other missions. Once when rejected, it should not give you the part 2 of a mission.