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CCP: Leave T3 Strategic Cruisers

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#81 - 2013-07-23 07:46:56 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:





Edit: just forgot to add all those blah blah 700dps 200K EHP Tengu haters are the first ones to not like this size modules limitation, guess why.


We hate it because you just removed 95% of possible setups.

All because you hate having 4 ships rebalanced with their own class of ships.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-07-23 08:00:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:





Edit: just forgot to add all those blah blah 700dps 200K EHP Tengu haters are the first ones to not like this size modules limitation, guess why.


We hate it because you just removed 95% of possible setups.

All because you hate having 4 ships rebalanced with their own class of ships.



Nope

This simply balances all class ships in between them. T3's got balanced already with T1 versions, if they were still OP as you claim you'd be flying op 200k ehp 700dps Tengus instead of 200K ehp Megas with FAM 650dps at double range of those Tengus

Can you fit capital modules to your Megathron? -you can't

This should apply to all modules size and the silliness of cruisers with BC EHP, BC's with Battleship HP would be over, point blank.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#83 - 2013-07-23 08:07:07 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:





Edit: just forgot to add all those blah blah 700dps 200K EHP Tengu haters are the first ones to not like this size modules limitation, guess why.


We hate it because you just removed 95% of possible setups.

All because you hate having 4 ships rebalanced with their own class of ships.



Nope

This simply balances all class ships in between them. T3's got balanced already with T1 versions, if they were still OP as you claim you'd be flying op 200k ehp 700dps Tengus instead of 200K ehp Megas with FAM 650dps at double range of those Tengus

Can you fit capital modules to your Megathron? -you can't

This should apply to all modules size and the silliness of cruisers with BC EHP, BC's with Battleship HP would be over, point blank.


Or we could just do a balance pass on T3s and keep the fitting options in this game interesting instead.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#84 - 2013-07-23 08:09:36 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:



Nope

This simply balances all class ships in between them. T3's got balanced already with T1 versions, if they were still OP as you claim you'd be flying op 200k ehp 700dps Tengus instead of 200K ehp Megas with FAM 650dps at double range of those Tengus

Can you fit capital modules to your Megathron? -you can't

This should apply to all modules size and the silliness of cruisers with BC EHP, BC's with Battleship HP would be over, point blank.



Or we can nerf 4 overpowered ships rather than over a hundred.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-07-23 08:11:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Or we can nerf 4 overpowered ships rather than over a hundred.




Show us on the doll where the overpowered T3 touched you.

Lol

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-07-23 08:16:59 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Or we could just do a balance pass on T3s and keep the fitting options in this game interesting instead.



Now you need to explain me why you can fit the largest shield extenders on a T3 and make it get stupid EHP numbers but you can't make the fcking ship fit all blasters and even less 250's or even make it work.

Hint: battleship modules on lower ship size is stupid as it's stupid cruiser sized modules on frigates.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#87 - 2013-07-23 08:17:31 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:




Show us on the doll where the overpowered T3 touched you.

Lol


And here we have the best defence the users of these ships have to offer.
Sway M4G
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-07-23 08:17:48 UTC
t3 arent overpowered in my view as if you die you loose a level 5 skill that gives me more satifaction when i kill them knowing there loosing sp Bear
Chock Nurris
Cloakers
#89 - 2013-07-23 09:58:46 UTC
Been looking at these ships myself, thinking of training up for onew Been looking at the Proteus to do PvPw I hope they don't ruin themw I think the subsystems need fixing because EFTing some seem a bit dumb and pointless and others are really great, which shows in market costsw

I think non T3 people are just jealousw
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2013-07-23 10:02:09 UTC
looking at our fleet doctrines .. hmm.. t3...t3...t3...t3 sleip... t3.. capital ships..

yupp seems balanced.

as much as i like my t3s.. they are NOT balanced and needs to be hit by a big stick! repeatedly
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2013-07-23 10:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
baltec1 wrote:
They are not being buffed to be in line with t3s, they are balanced with the other cruisers.

No they aren't. HACs are barely good enough to justify their cost as they stand currently, and the rebalancing doesn't do a whole lot to change that dynamic. They're still terrible on the mobility front, fairly weak on defense, hard to fit, etc.

Rebalance T3s, sure. Don't make them irrelevant and useless. The problem with a jack-of-all-trades philosophy is that instead of several ships that can do a whole bunch of stuff okay, people will generally just bring several ships that individually do each part a lot better. That's why we have fleet doctrines, isn't it?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#92 - 2013-07-23 10:10:13 UTC
Chock Nurris wrote:
I think non T3 people are just jealous

The only people I have seen supporting T3 rebalancing are people who also fly T3s.

Oh god.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#93 - 2013-07-23 10:11:10 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

No they aren't. HACs are barely good enough to justify their cost as they stand currently, and the rebalancing doesn't do a whole lot to change that dynamic. They're still terrible on the mobility front, fairly weak on defense, hard to fit, etc.


Still stands that they are being balanced with the other cruisers and not T3.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2013-07-23 10:13:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

No they aren't. HACs are barely good enough to justify their cost as they stand currently, and the rebalancing doesn't do a whole lot to change that dynamic. They're still terrible on the mobility front, fairly weak on defense, hard to fit, etc.


Still stands that they are being balanced with the other cruisers and not T3.

It doesn't seem that they're being rebalanced with regards to anything except what they were before.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#95 - 2013-07-23 10:18:46 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It doesn't seem that they're being rebalanced with regards to anything except what they were before.
What would you prefer to see done with them?

Oh god.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2013-07-23 10:21:09 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Riot Girl wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It doesn't seem that they're being rebalanced with regards to anything except what they were before.
What would you prefer to see done with them?

I'd prefer to have a reason to fly them that isn't "T3 are **** now so we might as well just fly these instead".

They don't have to be as good as T3s, but at least make them interesting.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#97 - 2013-07-23 10:27:26 UTC
Cruisers are my favourite ship class so I'm quite happy with the proposed changes though I feel Sacrilege still needs more attention. The bigger drone bay is nice but I think it's still going to be underwhelming.

Oh god.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#98 - 2013-07-23 10:28:43 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I'd prefer to have a reason to fly them that isn't "T3 are **** now so we might as well just fly these instead".

They don't have to be as good as T3s, but at least make them interesting.


I'm quite excited over the diemost changes although that sheild boost bonus for the vaga has me scratching my head.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2013-07-23 10:29:20 UTC
They're all underwhelming. The only ships that come out okay with these changes is the Zealot, and that's because it was fine before, and the Cerberus, because they're buffing it quite a bit.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-07-23 10:53:44 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Chock Nurris wrote:
I think non T3 people are just jealous

The only people I have seen supporting T3 rebalancing are people who also fly T3s.



Aren't you one of those asking for T3 frigates?
You already had it, was named Dramiel and look how game breaking it was before the well deserved nerf bat.

Limiting modules size to ships size is the most logical way to go. No more triple 1600 proteus or legion, no more double large shield extenders Tengus, 2.5-3km/s T3's with oversized ABs and so on, then once people start fitting dedicated size mods on their ships there will be less to balance across the board.
Capital pilots not being able to fit 100mn MWD's to make their ship warp faster? -I'm all for it

You want balance? -then balance the right things like oversize modules, the ship it self is rather balanced when fit it with same size modules.

But: no more XL-ASB sleipnirs, Vagabonds, Cyclones, Lokis or medium ASB frigates etc and oversize prop modules, pretty sure this is what you people don't want balanced and those are exactly why some ships get out of whack when you add links and implants.

If you really want to clean the can of worms do it right and stop trolling with "creative" oversize modules fits, there's nothing creative with that except for trolls and alts.

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