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I give up with this game

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Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-07-22 14:55:06 UTC
Spenser for Hire wrote:
CCP doesn't appear to care about "Balanced" PvP. a Ship that cost a billion or more ISK, and requires a year or more of skills, can be destroyed by a ship worth only a couple of million isk in the blink on an eye. EVE is supposedly a PvP game, yet has completely defenseless ships that are regularly preyed upon.

The E-War in the game is absolutely stupid. a Single ship can Cap drain you, prevent you warping, webify you, prevent you from targetting them, AND you have absolutely no defense against it. Meanwhile, they can kill you with just 2 drones. CCP doesn't appear to care about "Balanced PvP."

The game isn't about Player Vs Player. Its about Predators Preying on Victims.



Thats wy we love this game ******* , ALL THE ******* MMOS OUTTHERE THE BIGGEST SWORD WINS.

Biggest isnt better

sorry for bad english

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#42 - 2013-07-22 14:55:37 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I give up with this game. The PvP in this game is totally unfair.

I mean look at this. I take out a cruiser (was just below 100m so money not an issue) and tool up for combat. I take heavy assault rockets because people say its good for engaging large and small targets and go to FW to find some combat. I find a frigate and the d-scan looks clear so I engage.



Oh, but the game was "fair" till were you in a cruiser engaging a frigate alone :)
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-07-22 15:01:01 UTC
Spenser for Hire wrote:
CCP doesn't appear to care about "Balanced" PvP. a Ship that cost a billion or more ISK, and requires a year or more of skills, can be destroyed by a ship worth only a couple of million isk in the blink on an eye. EVE is supposedly a PvP game, yet has completely defenseless ships that are regularly preyed upon.

The E-War in the game is absolutely stupid. a Single ship can Cap drain you, prevent you warping, webify you, prevent you from targetting them, AND you have absolutely no defense against it. Meanwhile, they can kill you with just 2 drones. CCP doesn't appear to care about "Balanced PvP."

The game isn't about Player Vs Player. Its about Predators Preying on Victims.


So many half-truths in this post.
There is no such thing as a defenseless ship (unless you talking industrial ships). Now, in certain situations, some ships will be screwed. But it is your obligation not to get into these kind of situations or know how to extract yourself.

I LOVE that there is no I-win-button-ship. There is no OP setup that hasn't flaws and weaknesses. Very expensive ships CAN be destroyed by a T1 frigate. That is a GOOD thing.

EWar is a very deep and complex part of eve PvP and I for one am glad it is there. Now, we can talk about a balancing path on ECM all day, but that would derail the thread. You also mention points & webs... If you have a problem with those, I don't even begin to see how you would like to do PvP in Eve.
Charlie Nonoke
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#44 - 2013-07-22 15:04:54 UTC
Join RvB if you're looking for some kills, and action.
We always have fleets available, and scheduled roams, and even small FFA tournaments.
FCs are experienced, and will do everything to protect your bottom.
Best of all, you log in whenever you want, and you don't have to participate in all events.

I'm new myself, and decided to join to get myself familiar with PvP.
I've lost frigates so far, and plan to lose some more before fully feeling comfortable.
Mistakes are meant to be learned after each fight.

I took a Hookbill out once, aggressed, and then got my ass handed to me. Was I sad? Yes, but was I butthurt? Nah.
It's little things like these where you learn which fights to pick, and which to let go, no matter how shiny the other ship appears.

Some FFA tournaments I was in involved the organiser handing out RANDOMLY fitted T1 frigates to all, and warped to a safe spot, and last man standing won something, like a PLEX.
Some roams I've been into were Lo-sec roams, where we pick fights, and try to win.
The sense of a fleet will make you feel much more secure, and you know you'll have people backing you up.
Whitehound
#45 - 2013-07-22 15:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Karsa Egivand wrote:
Livonia Velorea wrote:
Looking at your deaths most of them are already lost the second you engage. You need to learn what your natural prey is, which is mainly done by dying alot. Also entering low via Tama is pretty much the 100% worst thing you can do. Find a new entry point into low/fw instead.

If you want help add me ingame, i'm no pro but I like to solo pvp in fw.


Take up offers of help. And yes, knowing which fights to pick is a BIG part of solo pvp. (or any kind of pvp, but it is even more important if you want to succeed at solo).

This basically.

Stay in high-sec first. Your expectations are way off the chart and you think other players are easy targets. You are wrong. When you are alone are you are the easy target.

Look in high-sec for corporations who are at war and see who is looking for assistance. Then join a war with your corporation (open your own corporation if you have to). The players who are looking for assistance want your help and want you to fight on their side. It does not get any easier.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#46 - 2013-07-22 15:12:31 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:


Quite possibly true but different people pick up different thing at different rates.


Yes they do, and that's a personal issue. Look at the original post, it's him going on about how the game needs changing because HE failed.

Why doesn't he join faction warfare of RvB or EVE uni?

Quote:

At least he didn't just give up on the first loss
He might should have lol.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#47 - 2013-07-22 15:13:09 UTC
OP is an angry man
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#48 - 2013-07-22 15:14:08 UTC
Fit 50 T1 frigs and go...

Meh, my signature.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Maximillian German
Task Force Coalition
#49 - 2013-07-22 15:29:06 UTC
Vobard wrote:
Can I have your stuff?


pssst, don't listen to vobard, he just wants you for your body(corpse)

also, greetings from Paul Chung o/
Cavalira
Habemus
#50 - 2013-07-22 16:07:02 UTC
irl is unfair. I spent all my mothers money on a nice car, but my friend in his Ford Ka always beat me when racing. I thought having the right gear allow me to beat people better than myself.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#51 - 2013-07-22 16:17:52 UTC
Karsa Egivand wrote:
Livonia Velorea wrote:
Looking at your deaths most of them are already lost the second you engage. You need to learn what your natural prey is, which is mainly done by dying alot. Also entering low via Tama is pretty much the 100% worst thing you can do. Find a new entry point into low/fw instead.

If you want help add me ingame, i'm no pro but I like to solo pvp in fw.


Take up offers of help. And yes, knowing which fights to pick is a BIG part of solo pvp. (or any kind of pvp, but it is even more important if you want to succeed at solo).

i'd say that 80% of the fight occurs even before you two lock each other, or even before landing on same grid for non cloacky ships.

BEFORE the fight you need to assess the probable fit of the ship you will agress (or be agressed by, important in case of sentry on field), is he really solo? are your strenght his potential weaknesses? etc....

this require to be able to evaluate the possible fit of any given ship you will encounter, and from there, you will know if you stand a chance or not...

remind me of one player who agressed me a month or so ago.


i was camping a WH entry in a stilleto, he came out with a stealth bomber.

a few minutes later, he decided to agress me...well, this is a very very bad idea from him.

i have only 60 dps on the stilletto, an average stealth is given from around 400 dps.

that's what he cryed about in local(lol).

truth is, he lost the second he uncloacked.

his range is around 50km, my point is 30k (40 cause i'm faction), i move at 4000+ m/s (so i was on top of him in no time).

then he uses torpedoes, so i kept mwd ON, orbiting him at 20+ km.

torpedo explosion velocity vs my speed + low sig radius, he was doing 0 damage, i was hitting for almost full effect.

being good at PVP involves that one pilot is able to know that, in such a case, 1v1 between a bomber and a ceptor, ceptor wins all the time.

this is the kind of things one shall be able to know just by looking at ship types.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#52 - 2013-07-22 17:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Then a fleet of friagtes warp in, no big deal, more of a challenge


This is why you died.

Seriously?

Your upset that you lost to FIVE PEOPLE? You think because your in a ship one category larger than theirs, you should be able to kill five people in it? I've killed Battlecruisers in a frigate, on my own... solo. As in, truly solo, not with repping and boost alts. The fact of the matter is, no one ship is a win button. Cruisers kill carriers, frigates kill battleships, and Titans get killed when one man in a n00b ship bumps them out of alignment.

You don't just turn on your guns and wait for your enemy to die, that's why you think PvP is unfair...

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#53 - 2013-07-22 17:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Double post.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Jharii Tirar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-07-22 17:13:42 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:

then where else can I go?

There is no where else I can go for easy pvp.


Easy PvP? LOL. So you want to be able to reign down on others as others have done to you? My answer would be quite simple. If you want easy PvP, fight yourself.

Sorry, there are other people flying ships on the other side. Your quest for easy PvP may be found in the likes of WoW or My Little Pony Online.
flakeys
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-07-22 17:18:54 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:


I just wish CCP would remove all tech 2 weapon, Ewar, scramblers, webbers etc and just had us shooting the same kind of rockets at each other. Atleast it would be fair. Atleast then people might have a chance. But no they insist on penalising everyone but the oldest/best players while everyone else is just left to die again and again.



No the numbers would play an even bigger part.At least now you have the small chance of the paper-rock-scissors effect.


Solo pvp is a ***** , getting a non gankfight is rare and usually you end up dying to a big blob wich then starts smacktalking to you for loosing in that 7vs1 fight.Trust me , i know it's a ******* pain in the ass mostly.However there are some rare times when you do stumble on a nice 1vs1 / when that other guy does hold himself to the 1vs1 deal even though his friends are there .... and at these times the pvp in eve is SO FRIKKING good it gives you a headrush like no other game can.


So either join the blob and smacktalk others about your l33t pvp skills and not worry about any risk ... or take all those losses as lessons how to avoid them and enjoy those rare but awsome 1vs1 fights Blink

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wyrmlimion
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-07-22 17:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyrmlimion
A dog spots a cat and gives chase, he follows it into a bush only to find 10 cats, that quickly gank him.

Dog: PVP ISNT FAIR!
Jharii Tirar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-07-22 17:29:05 UTC
Wyrmlimion wrote:
A dog spots a cat and gives chase, he follows it into a bush only to find 10 cats, that quickly gank him.

Dog: PVP ISNT FAIR!


Further proof that cats are superior beings. :)
Sakiya Shiratori
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-07-22 18:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Sakiya Shiratori
I checked the record. Most of the deaths are from picking bad targets or from not checking DSCAN often enough.
More SP wouldn't help you in those situations. Since you already provided the links to your killboard, i'll permit myself to comment on them.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18501088
I'm guessing you got caught at a gate? Possible solution: Check the map statistics for ship losses. Eventually you will learn which systems/gates that are more usually camped .

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18477052
You either got caught somehow from not spamming DSCAN, or you engaged an AF who had a friend in system. Or you engaged a kiting faction frigate while you, yourself was in a kiting kestrel. Noone of these are good targets for you.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18461440
You were baited by a miner and killed from a tornado warp win. Could be avoided from spamming Dscan. The miner haveing a corp member in the same system should also have tingled your bait sensor.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18462262
Got caught by one of the kings of frigate PvP: The Daredevil. Avoid these like the plaque until you become pro

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18450825
Engaged a drone ship with you in a kiting kestrel. Remember kiting kestrel wants to fight brawlers, not other kiters. Atleast not until your SP increases.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18340872
You were ratting and got caught? You were in a missile ship, you could have easely stayed aligned twoards a station . That way you can warp out immidately when ships pop up on the overview.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18441515
You got caught in a gatecamp. It helps to level up your "Evasive Maneuvering". Drop the shield extender and add a nanofiber instead. Remember that shield extenders increase your sig rating which makes it easier for others to lock you. You also don't need the MWD. Get an AB instead. It's fast enough to get around sites.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18336822
Caught while ratting again. Gotta use that DSCAN man.
Sakiya Shiratori
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-07-22 18:21:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sakiya Shiratori
Now, I think you should continue using the kestrel. What you want to fight are frigates that are typically brawlers. That means that they have short range guns and Afterburner (AB).

Ships that are viable to fight are "Merlin, Tormentor, Punisher, Incursus (if you got an hour), Atron or slashers. These ships are usually flown as short range brawlers. Most should have a top speed of around 1000m/s, with the atron and slasher able to reach 1600m/s or so.

If they are flying faster than that, then they got an MWD and you're probably dead. But that's EvE. With more SP and better skills you will have a good chance to escape, but probably not yet. A big help is to train "Thermodynamics" so you can overheat your MWD enough to get away.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#60 - 2013-07-22 18:26:45 UTC
If no one told you, then I will do so:

You need a booster and falcon alt to solo pvp