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Cap Escalations in a C5 Cataclysmic

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Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#1 - 2013-07-21 23:13:45 UTC
Im on my way to owning a c5-c4 cataclysmic wormhole and im having some doubts about the ability to run capital escalations in the c5 with the effect because of the -41% to self reps i am concerned the dreads will be too squishy to run the sites effectively

am i being to cautious in this fact?

have any of you had issues or no problems running these at all?

id like some input on the scenario

thanks

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Sorany
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-07-21 23:16:34 UTC
Dmitry Wizard wrote:
Im on my way to owning a c5-c4 cataclysmic wormhole and im having some doubts about the ability to run capital escalations in the c5 with the effect because of the -41% to self reps i am concerned the dreads will be too squishy to run the sites effectively

am i being to cautious in this fact?

have any of you had issues or no problems running these at all?

id like some input on the scenario

thanks


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ceaser3
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-07-21 23:43:31 UTC

Now now Sorany, be nice.
ShamedOne
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#4 - 2013-07-21 23:45:36 UTC
Lets say, someone does jump you, you not only have to tank the sleeper DPS, but probably another 2 Moros worth. Does that sound like a good time to you?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#5 - 2013-07-21 23:47:33 UTC
CCP have made it harder now the Archon has less of a resist bonus to.

It shouldn't be that big of a problem tho as you can fit less cap mods due to the cap size bonus and use that to fit for more EHP instead so you can (hopefully) last out siege/triage and get (system bonused) reps from other ships in fleet.
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#6 - 2013-07-21 23:56:14 UTC
I figure its possible to just do one wave at a time it will take longer but the risk will be far less. And i know the dangers of c5 space and having other people jump in thats ever wormhole. At any given time anywhere in w-space some one can gank you.

I remeber the first the thing i read before going to wormholes was "you will be ganked, come to terms with that now"

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-07-22 01:18:24 UTC
Ive never tried it in a cat system but i doubt it's going to be fun.
id probably be more worried about the archon. it will certainly need to triage and its tank will be rubbish.
the dreads will at least be able to coast out of siege and let the archon rep them between cycles if need be.

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Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#8 - 2013-07-22 01:21:49 UTC
might need to go for a different hole then i guess

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-07-22 01:33:30 UTC
Yeah if youre wanting to run escalations, cataclysmic is pretty far down on the list of effects you want.

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Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#10 - 2013-07-22 01:43:00 UTC
the risk is definitely not worth the reward in that case. i guess ill start fishing for a new residence

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Brayden M
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-07-22 03:21:42 UTC
8 or so spider tank carriers (no triage) warp in 2 dreads whenever warp them out when you can, clears sites no problem
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#12 - 2013-07-22 04:05:53 UTC
i guess that could work too. to me it seems almost worth just trying to find a wolf-rayet or magnetar and saying to hell with the cataclysmic. The Cataclysmic seems more like a sub cap thing

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-07-22 04:35:37 UTC
Brayden M wrote:
8 or so spider tank carriers (no triage) warp in 2 dreads whenever warp them out when you can, clears sites no problem

lol... sure....
except it takes twice as many pilots and (im guessing) 2-3 times as long as doing it properly, possibly more?

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Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#14 - 2013-07-22 04:37:59 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Brayden M wrote:
8 or so spider tank carriers (no triage) warp in 2 dreads whenever warp them out when you can, clears sites no problem

lol... sure....
except it takes twice as many pilots and (im guessing) 2-3 times as long as doing it properly, possibly more?




that was my thought exactly. twice as much work for twice as long... ill just find a vanilla w-r or mag

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#15 - 2013-07-22 04:56:43 UTC
It's able to be done, but you have to know what you're doing otherwise you'll have either a close call or lose a capital or two.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

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Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#16 - 2013-07-22 05:07:40 UTC
as our first ventures in c5 space i dont think its gonna be a good idea to go to the catalysmic variable. ill have to find another hole

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#17 - 2013-07-22 05:15:39 UTC
Um... fit a second repper? If your skills are any good at all, you should have no troubles.
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#18 - 2013-07-22 06:39:11 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Um... fit a second repper? If your skills are any good at all, you should have no troubles.



What about the cap? it is doable with double reps, but inefficient, as you have to use more modules for cap. In a cata hole your cap doesn't last longer, you have a total increase in cap amount, but at the expense of the recharge rate.

And the archon is going to have a hell of a time, you can't add more reppers without endangering getting neuted out.


Everything is doable, but you have ask yourself is it worth doing it for at least twice the time, effort and risk as other wh's?
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-07-22 09:19:37 UTC
the carrier should be okay i think. people rarely triage in c5 sites. if you do triage the tank should easily be able to hold out

dreadnaughts are a bit harder. you can fit higher resistances and reduce the damage. or you can take a strong brave pill (exile) and hope for the drawbacks to work out well. a strong exile should nearly offset the rep reduction

the only ones i know that live in a cat and do escalations a lot are the last chancers. they have a c6 cata. i think they use pantheon setups. not sure what they do with dreads. maybe overtank when needed and then run out of siege.....maybe you can ask them

in general though, a cat wh is just bad for escalations
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#20 - 2013-07-22 11:14:59 UTC
whenever i try to stick capital in my cat I find it hard to get the bugger to swallow all the cash....

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