EVE New Citizens Q&A

This is quite friendly compared to other forms of legal grief. One of my favourites is finding a way to young character in a Battleship doing hisec anomalies. First you steal some loot for the flag, then you start bumping. He will have a hard time getting away, and an annoying flashy bumper right next to him. Chances are he will engage out of frustration with his failfit shiny, thinking your ship to be no match for a Battleship. You can even add some surprise logi in the mix if you don't mind those getting Suspect flagged too.

Hi im just looking for some advise to see if im the right or the wrong.


So my base system at the moment is Gelfiven in hi sec. Im hanging round here learning the mechanics of exploration doing some ratting. Making my first moves into low sec etc.

My question is about stealing from yellow wrecks (not salvaging)

Quite often when i have a fly round the belts looking for some rats i steal from the npc wrecks that the miner have created.
today i was told i was ganking/ can flipping/ and basicly a bad boy for stealing their stuff and they are 10 day old characters etc. And they are trying to buld up their new corporation and they are protecting their investment etc. blah blah blah.

And actually the thing that wound me up that i should ask permission before stealing from them.

I understand that rookie systems its a no no to try to blag them into shooting through stealing their stuff and this wasnt my intention.

but if they shoot at me i will shoot back you know.

so 1, Is gelfiven a `rookie` system and is what im doing not acceptable and im going to get my wrist slapped by CCP

2, Do theives normally knock on the door and ask permission before they steal.

3, Am i within in my rights to continue what im doing ?

4, What do the people here think about what im doing is it wrong or right or normal or if the miners should lighten up a little

as i see it its a free universe i can steal but i have to understand the consequences which i do. dont do the crime if you cant do the time etc.

If your system isn't on this list, it's free reign my friend, let fire and ruin fall. If it is in these systems though please be kind to our newbies. Besides it's much more fun to watch them rage when you kill their first battleship later on in a mission site somewhere.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems

Can flipping / baiting

This refers to the practice of (ab)using the Criminal Flagging System to cause a fight between yourself and an unsuspecting party in high-security space. See main article for more.

Can flipping is officially considered griefing only in Rookie Systems. Some people do it just for fun, without the actual intent to cause the feelings of harassment and frustration in the victim. It is, however, also a typical form of griefing in the classic sense.


Starter Systems
• Amarr ◦ Chaven
◦ Sehmy
◦ Emrayur

• Caldari ◦ Kisogo
◦ Todaki
◦ Amsen

• Gallente ◦ Duripant
◦ Bourynes
◦ Cistuvaert

• Minmatar ◦ Ammold
◦ Ryddinjorn
◦ Hulm

Fortunately every player has the ability to reship and fight back, creating entertainment for all parties involved \o/

A new player can still learn from it though, even if it's "don't do that again". If a newbie gets ganked the best thing they can do is to ask the ganker what they can do to avoid being ganked or how they might improve their odds next time. Some will be "stfu noob", others will be helpful, with the right attitude a newbie will sometimes get reimbursed, taken under a wing etc.

TBH the best time to get ganked is when you're a newbie, ships are cheap (they may not seem it, but they are) so are clones. The sooner that newbies learn to regard their ship as a tool, not a persona, the better, for both them personally and the game as a whole.

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Wow! That must make you feel like a real big man.