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electronic attack frigates

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Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#1 - 2011-10-25 23:49:15 UTC
ive never seen anyone fly a EAF anywhere, how bad are these things and how could they be balanced?
if im wrong about them, please tell me. i just havent seen ANY of them anywhere.
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#2 - 2011-10-26 00:25:44 UTC
Sentinel is one of the best frigates in circulation. Kitsune is a wonderful small gang ship that combines jamming, speed, tackle, and rocket damage. Hyena with dual web fit is also outstanding in a small gang. You can even pair the Hyena with a cap-stable 2x laser turret and 2x web setup protected by an MSE. Keres is the most maligned of the EAFs, but with level 5 your tackle, buffer, and dampening ability makes you a nice addition to small gangs.

These are not fleet ships, by intent or by design. For small gangs though they are some of the most entertaining things in Eve IMHO.

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Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-26 00:27:34 UTC
They always explode when entering warp cause they have as much HP as a wet paper bag

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#4 - 2011-10-26 00:28:17 UTC
Problem: They don't have much greater performance than their tech I cruiser counterparts if even on a par with them. Combined with their cost and poor agility people don't tend to bother with them.

Having said that the Sentinel is pretty cool, I just wish I could eke out a little more DPS for soloing in it and neuts dont work so effectively on Minmatar/Dramiel which everyone flies.

Solution?: Not entirely sure but I really think they need agility improving.

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2011-10-26 00:31:15 UTC
Both responders above me are correct :) The paper tank means it takes bravery to fly it, which is sadly a declining attribute of pilots these days....

I particularly enjoy the Hyena - with two webs and a long point, it can very quickly immobilize anything that jumps through the gate if you're parked at zero. You may lose the ship frequently, but if you are snagging much more valuable ships or significant war targets than it is completely worth the cost.

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morons.
#6 - 2011-10-26 00:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Sentinel is one of the best frigates in circulation.


I've flown a sentinel a few times, but didn't particularily like it. I liked its offensive capabilities, but the combination of a paper-thin tank, mediocre speed and a terribly huge sig radius for a frig were quite a letdown.

Granted I only have EAF IV and didn't fly it enough to really get experienced with it...

Also, it was over three years ago, so didn't really try it as a counter to drams.
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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#7 - 2011-10-26 00:40:48 UTC
400 plate and lg-slaved Sentinel is fun.

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Niffo
Defenders of Order
#8 - 2011-10-26 00:48:37 UTC
If you have never had one in your fleets, you're flying with the wrong people - especially when it comes to small skirmish battles.
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#9 - 2011-10-26 00:54:25 UTC
I see them all the time but only with younger players. And those players usually only lose one (rather quickly) and then switch to something stronger.

That being said they are very useful in small gangs - hence why they get primaried all the time.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-26 00:56:46 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Hyena with dual web fit is also outstanding in a small gang. You can even pair the Hyena with a cap-stable 2x laser turret and 2x web setup protected by an MSE. Keres is the most maligned of the EAFs, but with level 5 your tackle, buffer, and dampening ability makes you a nice addition to small gangs.

These are not fleet ships, by intent or by design. For small gangs though they are some of the most entertaining things in Eve IMHO.



Hyena's too frail to be of use in this after-nano age era, and tackling interceptors are faster, cheaper, and much more survivable than the keres, even considering damps and the shorter point range.

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morons.
#11 - 2011-10-26 01:00:42 UTC
Kitty McKitty wrote:
400 plate and lg-slaved Sentinel is fun.



Never tried that - IIRC the only time when I tried them was pre-QR, so I think I tried to nano it which didn't work out that well.

My main gripe was the huge sig radius (at least that was what stuck with me after my experiments) and my guess/suggestion would be that their sig radius gets reduced when buffing them.

Given the preliminary changes to destroyers, EAFs except the Hyena would be closer to destroyers rather than frigs in regards to sig radius, so it would be a good place to start.

I didn't feel their agility to be much of a problem - it's better than e.g. that of a Vengeance and the sentinel is faster.
Yet I never had a problem using that - but the far better resists/base EHP in combination with the smaller sigradius made it far more viable.
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Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#12 - 2011-10-26 02:54:43 UTC
good suggestions, one more question: do EAFs have a purpose or are they just there to be there?
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
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#13 - 2011-10-26 03:00:05 UTC
Spr09 wrote:
ive never seen anyone fly a EAF anywhere, how bad are these things and how could they be balanced?
if im wrong about them, please tell me. i just havent seen ANY of them anywhere.

garbage, fix needs to be lower sig more hitpoints. then you will see them
right now its litterly 2 shot form a destroyer and its gone.
and the sig the size of a smaller cruiser. a battlecruiser and easily hit these.

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Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#14 - 2011-10-26 03:06:59 UTC
EAFs don't offer much over regular inties; a Keres isn't really better than an Ares in lock times or point range. Same goes for the others with the exception of the Kitsune, which you do see in combat now and again, usually just before it dies, and Sentinels, usually in your rearview mirror as they're pretty OP to most other frigs in 1v1. In gangs they usually die quickly because of their lack of tank. The Hyena also sees some use in combat, but also dies rather often.

The best thing about the Keres is actually its 5 mid slots. Dual web+Scram+TD+AB and rails in the highs make for a better Battle Helios than the Helios itself.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#15 - 2011-10-26 03:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
They can keep up with frigate gangs. So if you want an ecm ship in your frigate fleet you don't have to wait for a slower cruiser.

Is that the purpose you mean?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#16 - 2011-10-26 03:21:14 UTC
I can't fly the Sentinel... as with the Crucifier, something was wrong when they designed the hull.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#17 - 2011-10-26 03:31:08 UTC
You can't fly it cause you think the hull doesn't look right?

I think it looks pretty good.
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#18 - 2011-10-26 03:41:31 UTC
the sentinel is ok if you pick your fights. Right now the only thing a sentinel can win against is someone not fielding a full flight of light drones or any sort of missiles. With EAF 5 its a good ship to fight taranis, crusaders even stilettos. The big problem is that a hawk (missiles) will eat it in 10 seconds flat and a harpy(turrets) will die to a sentinel sometime in the next 5 minutes.

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#19 - 2011-10-26 04:03:33 UTC
I trained EAF a while ago because of Kitsune. But I wasn't too pleased with it due to rather short engagement range and only room enough for 3 ECM mods after prop mods, etc.

Later on, when I trained Gallente frigate 5 for Nemesis, I realized I could now fly the Keres as well. 2-3 range scripted damps plus a range boosted long point and cap stable w/o MWD running means perma-tackle for anything with a locking range of less than 100km.

Unfortunately, it's dps is abysmal. So it's not suitable for solo PvP. But it's great for getting that initial tackle.

I actually took it out on a BC roam as semi-fast tackle. Lock time wasn't so good. But when we leroyed into a FW BS gang twice our size, guess who was the only pilot to get out with his ship? I also flew that silly thing from Fountain to Deklein, back to Outer Ring, and out to Black Rise without getting ganked. Its a fun little ship. Just remember to keep range.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#20 - 2011-10-26 04:40:09 UTC
They aren't very useful and the training for them is a dead end. I'm amazed people even train the skill to fly them at all.
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