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Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#1 - 2013-07-20 22:52:29 UTC
So a Vengance stay at 0 for over 1 min and disapear, FRONT gets the point for him DCing
He then return, and we lose the points. I thought if you DCed you were out of the match according to the rules.

It could have turned into a Draw.

Im not sure how to petission this, but thats bull.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
Enthargo Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-20 23:03:02 UTC
if you look on the Twitch live stream from 7:38:43 on wards, the Pilot Ochiniwa in a Vengance stays as 0mps for over 59 seconds, to have no agression on him. Then disapere, we get the 4 points, then 45 seconds later he reaperse and we lose the 4 points.

these 4 points would have braught the match to a draw. A Clear explanation of this would be apreciated, as acording to the ATXI rules on the offical webs site it states:

If a player warps out/leaves the arena, his/her ship will be destroyed. This includes disconnection emergency warps. This rule is in effect before and during the match.
TrenQ Ottig
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-07-20 23:18:14 UTC
CCP Rise also states: "There goes the Daredevil, trading for a Vengeance"

An explanation of what really happened would be nice :)
Tickalsiinz
Lightning Squad
Snuffed Out
#4 - 2013-07-20 23:29:18 UTC
Yeah would be nice to get the story behind this and what would happen in the case of CCP giving this in our favoure so

But really good fight guys o/
TAckermassacker
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-07-20 23:51:55 UTC  |  Edited by: TAckermassacker
even tho what draw? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18835032

but yes i confirm we also have been confused with that disconnect.


Edit: but yes GF GF long time been flying around and meeting that cool ships without getting hotdropped :)
Tek Handle
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-07-21 00:06:29 UTC

Although I have to agree with you guys - because according to the rules a d/c bans you from the fight - it was rather unlikely that overtime would've turned the outcome to your favor. A couple fights before a Sleipnir dropped and came back as well. Ofc that fight wasn't as close as ours.

Anyway, GF FRONT! Lots of fun watching the replay.
TrenQ Ottig
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-07-21 00:24:45 UTC
It's only speculation of how the overtime would have turned out, if our maulus would be able to kite your vengeance, if our proteus would have been able to tank you dps and so on.

My honest opinion, you would have a hard time doing that, but again it's just speculation.

However this turns out, it was a match made of pure awesome, gf's all around!
Tickalsiinz
Lightning Squad
Snuffed Out
#8 - 2013-07-21 00:24:59 UTC
Tek Handle wrote:

Although I have to agree with you guys - because according to the rules a d/c bans you from the fight - it was rather unlikely that overtime would've turned the outcome to your favor. A couple fights before a Sleipnir dropped and came back as well. Ofc that fight wasn't as close as ours.

Anyway, GF FRONT! Lots of fun watching the replay.



To have you guys as our first fight and stand toe to toe with you was an amazing experience for my self and many other in OF :P GF guys
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#9 - 2013-07-21 00:33:43 UTC
Enthargo Solette wrote:
if you look on the Twitch live stream from 7:38:43 on wards, the Pilot Ochiniwa in a Vengance stays as 0mps for over 59 seconds, to have no agression on him. Then disapere, we get the 4 points, then 45 seconds later he reaperse and we lose the 4 points.

these 4 points would have braught the match to a draw. A Clear explanation of this would be apreciated, as acording to the ATXI rules on the offical webs site it states:

If a player warps out/leaves the arena, his/her ship will be destroyed. This includes disconnection emergency warps. This rule is in effect before and during the match.



Due to the GM warp disruptor bubble present in the arena, ships will generally not e-warp out, thus they will survive until the pilot reconnects or are destroyed by attacks. Hence if the pilot reconnects the points are restored. This happened a couple of times during the matches today

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#10 - 2013-07-21 01:02:39 UTC
I guess with ewarp disabled the ship doesn't get agression trying to warp out the dev bubble on dc heh - not sure on what mechanics are actually in play but sounds like all ships should get an aggro timer from the moment they warp to the arena until the moment they are ported back out of the system.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#11 - 2013-07-21 01:02:58 UTC
But he disapeared and camp back later for us to concentrate on him again

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
Tjalve Myr'Aelyn
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#12 - 2013-07-21 01:20:08 UTC
Quote:
If a player warps out/leaves the arena, his/her ship will be destroyed. This includes disconnection emergency warps. This rule is in effect before and during the match.


CCP may have formulate the rule according to the fact that a disconnecting ship can't do an emergency warp because of the bubble which is on field.

If the Vengeance would have been explode, I think we had win the match, since that Vengeance was not a small part of your damage, and we should have four more points. But this is speculation.

And in the end - I want to win a fight in the arena, not with any discussions and ruling after the match. Even if that means we lost this match and can't afford to lose one more. It was a great fight, INIT, even if I was not participating that long.
Big smile

Good luck in the next rounds, and maybe we see again on another battlefield.

Fly dangerous!
Tickalsiinz
Lightning Squad
Snuffed Out
#13 - 2013-07-21 01:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tickalsiinz
"Due to the GM warp disruptor bubble present in the arena, ships will generally not e-warp out, thus they will survive until the pilot reconnects or are destroyed by attacks. Hence if the pilot reconnects the points are restored. This happened a couple of times during the matches today"

If you watch the video back you can see he disappears from the fight then reappears surly if the warp bubble stopped him from leaving he would have stayed on grid and not vanished either that or im mistaken somewhere down that line.
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-07-21 02:02:11 UTC
Did he disappear from the grid or did he just disappear from the streams HUD?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#15 - 2013-07-21 02:22:37 UTC
Tickalsiinz wrote:

If you watch the video back you can see he disappears from the fight then reappears surly if the warp bubble stopped him from leaving he would have stayed on grid and not vanished either that or im mistaken somewhere down that line.


Making some assumptions here but I think ewarp is disabled for the system separately to the bubble used to stop pilots doing stuff they aren't supposed to - in a situation where a pilot doesn't have agression and disconnects the ship is removed from space after awhile instead of ewarping which means they never get agression from the attempt to warp out of a bubble.

I'm guessing the fact that someone could disconnect and also not have agression was overlooked and I'd rather CCP kept with the system the allows pilots to log back into the fight in the event of an unfortunate disconnection/client crash but they do need to make sure that the ship stays in space on the field when the client has disconnected.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-07-21 06:52:22 UTC
You got to look at it like this: the Initiative. was down 1 ship for the important first minute of the fight. If he would have been on field you would have been dunked harder.
TAckermassacker
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-07-21 07:17:18 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Did he disappear from the grid or did he just disappear from the streams HUD?

he did not warp out/ no emergency warp
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#18 - 2013-07-21 10:43:31 UTC
TAckermassacker wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:
Did he disappear from the grid or did he just disappear from the streams HUD?

he did not warp out/ no emergency warp


But he disapeared from areana, FRONT got 4 points, he then returned 56 sec after, and points was taken from FRONT.

After that he delivered 6% damage on the Proteus we lost mabe that 6% damage was enough for our guadian not to keep up. The hole outcome could have come out different.

http://kb.obsidianfront.com/index.php/kill_detail/17007/
Ochiniwa = 6.1% where he shouldn't have been there at all.

I enjoyed the fight, it was FUN, but i serious wana be clear on the rules.

Can i just DC a geddon in future, and get it back 1 min after when needed.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
Tickalsiinz
Lightning Squad
Snuffed Out
#19 - 2013-07-21 11:37:42 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
You got to look at it like this: the Initiative. was down 1 ship for the important first minute of the fight. If he would have been on field you would have been dunked harder.



Yeah but the fact is he wasn't even if that meant us getting dunked harder and still losing it would have still been an amazing fight either way, plus the out come would have changed quite a bit with the damage he done/ you guys would have lost we may have even turn't the table.

But still to fight one of the best alliances and going in knowing we were going to get our asses handed to us and to pull a result like we did was one of the best and most exciting experiences for us in OF " o/ "
Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
#20 - 2013-07-21 14:24:01 UTC
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