EVE General Discussion

Death is inevitable its part of the live. And if the miner is truly active he shouldnt have any problem with d-scan and alligning to SS and keeping distance with minimum transgression between warp out points. And it would be partly beneficial to other gameplay

A little something that the OP forgot to point out.

Tank your freakin mining ships, always be ready at a moment's notice to react and always have a plan (not all plans have to involve running away).

Besides, I don't always trust the d-scanner because we miners can't be warping out to every little pvp ship that comes up on scan. What if they're not suicide gangs and are out war decing someone instead? What if it's just a lone wolf looking to do some 1v1 with another lone wolf?

If every miner had to warp away every time a pvp ship comes up on scan, then productivity is lost because we are too busy being scared and we can't have that. Sometimes you just have to face the bull and grab it by the horns. Of course, a miner also has to know his/her limits.

Exactly. There's your 191st Like.

They are getting smarter and remaining in NPC's where you can't wardec them, yet the ability to pop the illegal robot operated missions will rack up the killboards and we will be doing our part to help in that department.

-President Caldari

2 Million ISK Bounty for locating a Non-NPC bot mining Corp.

Well kind of. And also just for tears.

Late so I am ignoring the thread.

Covert Ops tackler (~20M) + Brutix ready to warp in.

This from a miner friend who likes gankers (helps lower competition he says).

To mine with a near 0% chance of getting ganked (in HS, but it doesn't matter what HS), follow the steps below:

Setup
1- Scout your area. Know where the best ore is before you start.
2- Once you determine which group of rocks you want, fly within 5km of the center of them (using a non mining ship).
3- Create a warp in BM at the location and drop a can with something cheap in it to use as a reference.
4- Fly straight in any direction (ideally one that will not intersect roids either forward or backward) for at least 200km (not that hard in a cheap fast frig or a shuttle).
5- Create BM1.
6- Warp to the can (or the warp in BM).
7- Travel the opposite direction and go another 200km.
8- Create BM2.

Mining
1- Warp to your warp in BM.
2- Lock desired roid and start the miners.
3- Chose BM1 (or 2... it doesn't really matter) and select "Approach".
4- Before you get out of range of your roid, select the other BM and click approach.
5- Repeat step 4 until you have cleared all the roids you can, or until you decide to call it a day.

Gank!?
1- As soon as you see a ship on overview that is not an industrial ship (or to be safe, do it anyway), select "Warp" to whichever BM you are moving to. Unless they catch you at a really bad time (ie during turn around) you will insta-warp 200+km away from them, at which point you can safely go to a station or continue mining after warping back.

This method will stop almost every non-dedicated ganker.


The downsides come when the dedicated ones show up.
Yes, they can scram you in a CovOps frig while the gank ship warps in (except that starts Concord in, and by the time the ganker gets their, the scrammer may be dead).
Yes, they could observe for a while and determine you are using this method and use a cloaky to make BMs where they think yours are. However, this requires more luck/work than an X-type drop.


Yes this is work. However, if every miner did this, ganking would become very difficult (compared with what we have now)... and more fun in my opinion.

So, you miners have a choice. Work and make the gankers work, or be lazy and let lazy gankers kill you.

What works in lowsec works in highsec, and works in nullsec. It's a simple principle - adjust the range of your D-scan to only be showing things in the area immediately bubbling the belt where you are working. If you go setting your D-scan to max range, you'll be flooded with useless junk. It's a precision instrument - use it precisely.

And you're right, there isn't anything stopping a hostile ship from warping in and spooking everyone and causing them to scatter.

How many times must it be said though, there are thousands of near-empty systems in the game with riches far exceeding what can be mined in a highsec belt? Why is everyone insisting on remaining in highsec? Where is the willingness to adapt to a changing situation?

Anyone on these forums can see the truth of the situation clear as glass - highsec is a crowded, hostile space, rife with people looking to harass miners. Why do you want to stay there so bad, when you can have a much more relaxing time in lowsec instead?

When I harvest/mine in lowsec, I only have to spam D-scan whenever another player enters the system. The rest of the time I can munch on snacks, watch porn, do homework, and keep an eye on things. But if someone that could kill me enters the system, I'm right there on the scanner, protecting my ship. Attentiveness is better than any tank.

This complaining is still quite unfounded - if the problem is that directional scanner brings up too much highsec clutter, or the problem is that you dont like losing a shred of isk per hour, the solution is still simple, and still the same - mine elsewhere.

I'm not a miner and I live in a wormhole, but I think that mining needs to be way more interesting to do. It was designed to be an afk activity. It barely requires more than 1 imput per 5 minutes.

I'd rather fly a covetor and risk losing it than be active while mining. Mining is lousy isk per hours anyway, so I won't be doing it anyway -_-;;