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Attention all miners - if you are ganked, its YOUR OWN FAULT.
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bilingi
Grandeur Illusions
#21 - 2011-10-25 22:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: bilingi
Typical IAM STUPID post from OP. You can tell you dont mine. SO maybe shut up and go back to buying plexes and RMT ratting?

WHat an afk cloaker came in so you are waiting to redeploy your bots?
Zleon Leigh
#22 - 2011-10-25 22:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Zleon Leigh
("We were ganked" announcement by forum doesn't mean it didn't post. )

Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

PvP's latest  incentive program ** Unified Inventory **  'Cause you gotta kill something after trying to use it
Zleon Leigh
#23 - 2011-10-25 22:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Zleon Leigh
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Desert Ice78 wrote:
Stay aligned while mining?!?!?!

Have you ever even been in a belt never mind actually mined in one?????

******.....come back when you might actually know what you are talking about.



erm......what exactly are you saying........??????????




He doesn't understand that OP mean static align, not active align.

#1 thing I've see miners do wrong all the time - burying themselves in a rock field, leaving no clear warp out path. Sad...



edit reason: fail forums....

Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

PvP's latest  incentive program ** Unified Inventory **  'Cause you gotta kill something after trying to use it
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#24 - 2011-10-25 22:48:03 UTC
bilingi wrote:
Typical IAM STUPID post from OP. You can tell you dont mine. SO maybe shut up and go back to buying plexes and RMT ratting?

WHat an afk cloaker came in so you are waiting to redeploy your bots?


you would have less rage if you shot at something that shot back
Scarlet des Loupes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-25 22:49:55 UTC
Look people, if you want to gank my mining boats go ahead, I'm definitely not going to stare at my mining lasers for 15 minutes.
CCP better make mining more interesting or give Hulks more HP or whatever but I refuse to go paranoia.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#26 - 2011-10-25 22:51:37 UTC
What's this nonsense about being aligned? You've been spotted, frig uncloaks and bumps the hell out of you, allowing ample time for BC or even BS to lumber in and kill ya.

Jeez.

Also, OP doesn't get that all the Goon whine threads are started by Goon alts and heavily populated by goon slaves spewing 'Umadbro?'. Think of it as a desperate attempt to be in the public eye, seeing as they could own nullsec and the majority of eve pilots wouldn't give a rat's ass.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-10-25 22:54:42 UTC
Karadion wrote:
You fail to understand why the miner's are complaining. They want to run their bots without worrying about getting ganked.




Is your job title just "forum troll" as you seem to be everywhere doing exactly the same thing
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
CorpAlt 18368
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-25 22:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: CorpAlt 18368
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
CorpAlt 18368 wrote:
With bulkheads and armor rigs on a Hulk, ............



And LOSE the low slots where the MU II Module should be ??? Try Shields next time..........Roll


I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or you're simply stupid (I'll just cut to the chase and assume the latter), but if you want to mine ice in an ice field that's likely being scouted by a ganker's cloaked alt, you're going to have to give up some efficiency. I'll break it down for you.

Optimal range on ice harvesters (T1 and T2) is 10 km. This means that at 66 m/s (75% of your maximum speed with Nav V) you will have to realign every 5 minutes to stay in range. With bulkheads and armor rigs, your maximum speed is reduced to 64 m/s, allowing you to enter warp at 48 m/s. That means that you only have to realign every 7 minutes (although you DO align a little slower, but the difference is insignificant with only two bulkheads)

Regardless of what you're doing, you'd be stupid to fit IHUs in your lows if you're taking the risk of being ganked (hint: mining ice in a high-sec Gallente system is pretty damn risky.)

But please, continue to shoot down reasonable advice to people stupid enough to mine ice.
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-10-25 22:56:15 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Karadion wrote:
You fail to understand why the miner's are complaining. They want to run their bots without worrying about getting ganked.


Is your job title just "forum troll" as you seem to be everywhere doing exactly the same thing

Nope, I'm in the "Ministry of Goon Posting".
Erica Wolfe
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-10-25 23:00:04 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
I've said this in a few threads now,



Yes, you have so why waste peoples time by starting another thread on the subject?
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#31 - 2011-10-25 23:07:24 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
Stay aligned while mining?!?!?!

Have you ever even been in a belt never mind actually mined in one?????


Yes, and yes. How do you think people do it outside of highsec?

I have extensive mining experience in hostile territory. I've lost ships. Every time I've been ganked it was because I wasn't paying attention to my surroundings.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2011-10-25 23:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
CorpAlt 18368 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
CorpAlt 18368 wrote:
With bulkheads and armor rigs on a Hulk, ............



And LOSE the low slots where the MU II Module should be ??? Try Shields next time..........Roll


I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or you're simply stupid (I'll just cut to the chase and assume the latter), but if you want to mine ice in an ice field that's likely being scouted by a ganker's cloaked alt, you're going to have to give up some efficiency. I'll break it down for you.

Optimal range on ice harvesters (T1 and T2) is 10 km. This means that at 66 m/s (75% of your maximum speed with Nav V) you will have to realign every 5 minutes to stay in range. With bulkheads and armor rigs, your maximum speed is reduced to 64 m/s, allowing you to enter warp at 48 m/s. That means that you only have to realign every 7 minutes (although you DO align a little slower, but the difference is insignificant with only two bulkheads)



Way too complicated to deal with that...all this 're-aligning' and nonsense. And Scripted Insta-Lock and Scram.......ain't no way outta that....and all the careful attention to timing your realigns is out the window with one POP.

SHEILD the Hulk and FORGET the tank on a Mackinaw. Stay aligned (static) and fit a 'Prayer Rig'....that's all you have in a Mack. Period.

Uselesssly moving and tricky realligns (especially with an Orca involved)...Good Lord there are better ways.......

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#33 - 2011-10-25 23:09:42 UTC
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
Moreover, Highsec dscan is so cluttered as it is that even during wartime it isn't a good intelligence tool. For your plan to work, you have to sort through every yahoo in a combat ship worth less than 100 mil


The range is adjustable. Simply reduce the range till its just the stuff that you see in the belt - its still enough time to warp out if you're paying attention.

How much time you have and how far range you set simply depends on system activity, but there's always a sweet spot.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
CorpAlt 18368
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-10-25 23:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: CorpAlt 18368
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
CorpAlt 18368 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
CorpAlt 18368 wrote:
With bulkheads and armor rigs on a Hulk, ............



And LOSE the low slots where the MU II Module should be ??? Try Shields next time..........Roll


I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or you're simply stupid (I'll just cut to the chase and assume the latter), but if you want to mine ice in an ice field that's likely being scouted by a ganker's cloaked alt, you're going to have to give up some efficiency. I'll break it down for you.

Optimal range on ice harvesters (T1 and T2) is 10 km. This means that at 66 m/s (75% of your maximum speed with Nav V) you will have to realign every 5 minutes to stay in range. With bulkheads and armor rigs, your maximum speed is reduced to 64 m/s, allowing you to enter warp at 48 m/s. That means that you only have to realign every 7 minutes (although you DO align a little slower, but the difference is insignificant with only two bulkheads)



Way too complicated to deal with that...all this 're-aligning' and nonsense. And Scripted Insta-Lock and Scram.......ain't no way outta that....and all the careful attention to timing your realigns is out the window with one POP.

SHEILD the Hulk and FORGET the tank on a Mackinaw. Stay aligned (staic) and a Prayer....that's all you have in a Mack. Period.

Uselesssly moving and tricky reallignes (especially with an Orca involved)...Goodl Lord there are better ways.......


You understand that a ship can't lock you the moment it appears on grid, right? It has to exit warp ("land") first.

As far as aligning goes, you understand that this is part of daily life when ratting in 0.0 (at least with missiles) - right? I'm sorry that your AFK/inattentive playstyle is ultimately not working out for you.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#35 - 2011-10-25 23:12:23 UTC
Scarlet des Loupes wrote:
Look people, if you want to gank my mining boats go ahead, I'm definitely not going to stare at my mining lasers for 15 minutes.
CCP better make mining more interesting or give Hulks more HP or whatever but I refuse to go paranoia.


A very valid point.

If mining bores you, dont do it. If it doesnt bore you, than do it. But just because its boring doesnt mean that you should be able to do it while watching a movie risk-free. This is Eve, not disneyland.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
bilingi
Grandeur Illusions
#36 - 2011-10-25 23:14:49 UTC
Maybe Hans they arent rich like you and cant afford to buy Plexes and Bot programs?
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#37 - 2011-10-25 23:15:25 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Way too complicated to deal with that...all this 're-aligning' and nonsense. And Scripted Insta-Lock and Scram.......ain't no way outta that....and all the careful attention to timing your realigns is out the window with one POP.


If learning to adjust tactics to suit a hostile situation is too complicated to deal with, than its not a good activity to be engaging in. Most interesting activities in this game are challenging AND complex. But not impossible.


CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#38 - 2011-10-25 23:16:18 UTC
bilingi wrote:
Maybe Hans they arent rich like you and cant afford to buy Plexes and Bot programs?


Ha ha, I'm hardly rich. Every dime I've earned I've lost in PvP in one form or another - I only go out to earn money when I'm low on ships to fight in.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#39 - 2011-10-25 23:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Chopper Rollins wrote:
What's this nonsense about being aligned? You've been spotted, frig uncloaks and bumps the hell out of you, allowing ample time for BC or even BS to lumber in and kill ya.


If you are aligned, at 75% speed (someone pointed out how to do this while giving yourself 7 minutes till you're out of harvester range), than when a frig decloaks next to you, insta-warp off.

Don't give them time to bump you. You must be absolutely situationally aware, finger on the button, to GTFO. But if you're prepared, than the second you spot danger you are in warp, with zero wait time. Its not difficult, just takes focus.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
CorpAlt 18368
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-10-25 23:21:59 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
What's this nonsense about being aligned? You've been spotted, frig uncloaks and bumps the hell out of you, allowing ample time for BC or even BS to lumber in and kill ya.


If you are aligned, at full speed (someone pointed out how to do this while giving yourself 7 minutes till you're out of harvester range), than when a frig decloaks next to you, warp off.


That's actually at 75% of max speed. You don't need to be at full speed to instantly enter warp, only 75%.