Jita Park Speakers Corner

You're welcome. In my experience there's usually a way to do what you want to in EVE; it's just a question of finding out how and what the limits & requirements are.

Also, the best way to learn to defend is often to learn how to attack (and vice versa).

But, again, they already can. Go look for the "AFK Cloaker" whinethreads for examples of how.

And at the risk of sounding somewhat self-serving, Angel ships are unsurpassed for hit-and-run fleets.

Very educational .... again my thanks ...... what i hoped to do is supported by game mechanics ..... time to make some alliance people bleed isk

Be careful - you might attack a group with something between their ears who may try counters more effective than crying on the forums

Use your newfound power to ask how you can do what you want to get some ideas of fittings and tactics.

while incursions probably are great fun for hi sec dwellers they shake economic balance in so many ways. mere requirement of having organized fleet for doing them doesn't make it right that you make loads of easy risk free isk in hi sec.

i see part of problem with hi sec is that low sec isn't lucrative enough (counting out fw plexing which isn't really that interesting to everyone), to pull casual/independent players in there. i think good example is incursions, the day we see hi sec bears running out to do incursions in low sec there's something right out there.

Two general comments:

1) Making PvE more challenging.

A) At a certain point this gets bloody difficult. Creating artificial intelligence programs that can get anywhere near the craftyness of real live human players is a lot to ask of CCP. Only recently did the Watson program win at Jeopardy against a batch of human opponents and all that program had to do was search databases and answer in the form of a question. Unlike like its human opponents, it couldn’t even walk to the podium. (My apologies for bringing up such a fully American example.) The obscene difficulty of generating challenging AI is one of the reasons computer games just pile on the rats. Humans are smart. Computers are dumb.

B) Its a never ending hamster race to jump on. Mission runners face challenge XXX and pluck away at it until they master it and then state, “OK – figured that out. Please develop a new set of missions to challenge me.” CCP responds with new mission set XXY and off we go again. Once XXY is mastered the statement is repeated, “OK – figured that out. Please develop a new set of missions to challenge me,” to which CCP responds with the next mission set XYY. Wash, rinse, repeat. At some point one must expect CCP to throw their hands up in utter despair complaining, “Good lord son! We’ve generated a whole wonderful universe for you with tantalizing social interaction and your already requesting mission set YYY? Sure, we'll put YYY on the queue but it’s going to be awhile as other players in the sandbox have desires in need of our immediate attention.” My personal feeling is that to keep missioning challenging it’s in CCPs interest to develop crafty mechanics that begin introducing PvP components in an enticing manner. If done well, this halts the hamster race leaving only balance issues to keep an eye on. Humans are smart, they’ll challenge each other just fine.

2) What about the noobs?

This too is bloody difficult. EvE is hard, it has no shortage of brutal players and that’s long been EvE’s niche. Couple this with EvE’s single shard approach and the noobs get thrown into the caldron pretty damn quick. Layer on typical human impatience and despite all the warnings to “Never fly what you can’t afford to lose!” few noobs listen. Instead they jump into their newest shiny toy just as soon as they can and get body blow crushed when they lose it. Some noobs get pounded pretty quickly – others merrily dance on the edge of financial disaster for months before an evil vet hand delivers the brutal lesson. Some noobs survive their lessons and flourish in the EvE universe taking their place among the best of the best. Many are washed out. Success in EvE takes intelligence, patience and a thick skin. Would you have it any other way?

DireNecessity

Nicely put.

It sounds good on paper. In reality, however, I don't think anyone would fly such encounters unless the reward is right up there between absurd and crazy.
If you keep the rewards on or near current levels, the frequency of PvP incursions on those missions i.e. the risk would outweigh potential profits by a huge margin. Now if you're looking to make profits in order to fund your PvP... there you have a rather nasty clash of interests. One you can't overcome by reasonable means as long as NPCs remain part of the equation.

Adding to that, if you're trying to encourage people to fly in low- and nullsec, such features would be counter productive.

These options are available to both parties so when you're looking at it from the risk:reward point of view they cancel each other out.
Even if being attacked on these missions means you're going to have to burst and run, the profit is still gone. This isn't a problem in lowsec where the frequency of incursions is low enough to be a manageable factor and you have the added benefit of being alerted to enemy presence immediately. In highsec you'll have dozens or even hundreds of people in your system. So unless you're brave enough to keep hammering that dscan you're going to get ganked, a lot. And no matter what you do, your cashflow is going to get hurt, which is not acceptable if making cash is your primary concern.

We like it, the content of the OP, as it not only respond to the status quo but also provides a roadmap for the next years of this game to come. Adjustments need to be made once there is population growth, considering (hopefully) there will be 75k -100k active players in the game; the present high sec. system has reached its usability and worked for the time being. With the thought through OP as exception, most requests on game change I read here mirrors short sighted on the status quo. “My game play” isn’t just the one of the actual players but the one for future player as well.

Inevitable, the game WILL become more of a social network, foremost in, but not limited to high sec., with the ability to enter any challenge the game content providers. The paradigm change of high sec., as requested by many others must reflect on a growing in game population if its sustainability shall remain intact.

Keep it on.

Good ideas in this thread.

One thing that is really weird to me is that there is no difference between security status in hight sec. Would like to see the security grade ideas implemented.