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Wolfpacks of Destroyers

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
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#81 - 2011-10-27 08:27:28 UTC
Mr LaForge wrote:
Are now going to be absolutely viable thanks to the early data from the SISI cache that has been posted. Small fleet warfare will never be the same again as they have been buffed in HP and the ROF penalty has been removed. Watch out Frigates. Your days are numbered.


no **** its int he destroyers description, they are designed to KILL frigates. nothing more.

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Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#82 - 2011-10-27 08:36:42 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Mr LaForge wrote:
Are now going to be absolutely viable thanks to the early data from the SISI cache that has been posted. Small fleet warfare will never be the same again as they have been buffed in HP and the ROF penalty has been removed. Watch out Frigates. Your days are numbered.


no **** its int he destroyers description, they are designed to KILL frigates. nothing more.


well, they're going to be killing a lot more now

I imagine 3 trashers could make pretty quick work of one of these new BCs Pirate
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2011-10-27 08:40:43 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
Jokerface666 wrote:
My concern is that even frigs can fit at least 2 med modules, but a destroyer cant scramble or web?
so basically you have to oneshot the frig or it will just run away, that makes no sense to mee, either in big, medium fleets ro 1on1



if you make them have 2 mid slots, then they are frigates with 8 guns. That's stupid and not balance.

You get double the dps compared to a frigate now. And your smaller like a frigate. However the destoryers job is NOT to tackle. think outside the box for a 2nd. Destoryer packs will be powerful becuase with 2 or 3 of them you can ALPHA FRIGATES.

who cares if you can't hold them down.

and if they are too fast get a friend to fly tackle. simple.

edit: the more I think about it, they should all get get one mid solt, maybe even lose a low slot for a higher damage bonus. Basicly act like every dessy has a permi low slot taken up by a heat sink. Which doesn't count towards the stack.

Make them slower too, but keep them small. Make them like slow, mobile, firing cannons that waste frigates, but can be hit by cruiser fire if tackled.

Basically they would hard counter the new BCs :P

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#84 - 2011-10-27 09:45:43 UTC
The new (I hope) destroyers will give casual gameplay a boost. This is quite important to a fair number of players who don't have much RL time.
Alara IonStorm
#85 - 2011-10-27 11:01:20 UTC
Bomberlocks wrote:
The new (I hope) destroyers will give casual gameplay a boost. This is quite important to a fair number of players who don't have much RL time.

Rigs and Battlecruisers really did a number on Casual Game Play
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2011-10-27 12:20:51 UTC
Mr LaForge wrote:
Are now going to be absolutely viable thanks to the early data from the SISI cache that has been posted. Small fleet warfare will never be the same again as they have been buffed in HP and the ROF penalty has been removed. Watch out Frigates. Your days are numbered.



Umm, wolfpacks of destroyers have always been viable and widely used...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2011-10-27 14:40:44 UTC
Bomberlocks wrote:
The new (I hope) destroyers will give casual gameplay a boost. This is quite important to a fair number of players who don't have much RL time.

They are also pretty easy to get into, Destoryer V only takes a week to train or so.

Catalyst for example:
- Having RoF penalty removed
- General Hybrid (railgun) damage boost gallente ships get
- Less cap use
- More speed
- Better tank
- They are very cheap

Very useful ship for new players, able to train fast and affordable.
Absolute nightmare for suicide ganking mining barges, just think about dual/tripple boxing destroyers, because they are so affordable i'd imagine will see it happen more often.

I can see them become an absolute nuisance to empire miners, and i foresee a nerf incoming in some way to compensate.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2011-10-27 14:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
Russell Casey wrote:
That's good news if true. Destroyers are probably the most underrated ship in the game and they've been stuck in a niche that's being filled by drones. Like to see frigates adjusted somehow too.


noobs will also love destroyers now


they will insta pwn any l1 mission on their first week of their trials

bad side to this

ganker will make thousands of never to be reused trials from buddy programs

step 1 make new trial using buddy link

step 2 train toon to specifically fly gank fit destroyers (no need to train tank skills - just train racial frig 3 - destroyer 3 or 4 - relevant gunnery skills to at least 3 or 4 and engineering 4, electronics 4, and energy grid upgrades 2 - to fit micro auxillary 1)

this can be all done during the 21 day trial.... by the time your trial has run out your sec status should be -10.0

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#89 - 2011-10-27 15:33:16 UTC
Valari Nala Zena wrote:
..cheap..

You haven't flown them in combat since the speed balance patch I take it?

After frigates became worth using with better speeds and nerfed webs, the price of small weapons/modules skyrocketed. If you T2 fit a destroyer you are looking at up to 20M a pop .. won't matter to majority since the one commonly used will be arty trash and they function just fine with unnamed T1 guns, but actual combat fits will remain one of the most expensive options in Eve (bang-for-buck wise) since they always tend to be in quite a hurry to reach the hereafter Smile
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#90 - 2011-10-27 20:25:24 UTC
With the drawbacks being taken out you might not *need* T2 fits for your destroyers so long as they aren't being asked to work well outside their role of "blow up any frigates that don't get the hint and leave." Granted T2'd always be "faster" but depending on how the new stats shake out it might not be enough faster to be worthwhile (at least in an "all T2 mods/rigs" way), even outside the arty world.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#91 - 2011-10-27 21:21:37 UTC
My main concern with this is frigates comparing to dessies like cruisers to (Tier 2) BCs, and hence become just as obsolete.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2011-10-27 21:29:55 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
My main concern with this is frigates comparing to dessies like cruisers to (Tier 2) BCs, and hence become just as obsolete.


This buff could really make destroyers have too much value for their low price. Is there really a point in getting a 20+ mil t2 frig when you can get a destroyer that does more for about 1 mil?
The dessies not having enough slots is the only reason at that point. And the thrasher already does have enough slots...
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
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#93 - 2011-10-31 23:59:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Flyinghotpocket
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Mr LaForge wrote:
Are now going to be absolutely viable thanks to the early data from the SISI cache that has been posted. Small fleet warfare will never be the same again as they have been buffed in HP and the ROF penalty has been removed. Watch out Frigates. Your days are numbered.


no **** its int he destroyers description, they are designed to KILL frigates. nothing more.


well, they're going to be killing a lot more now

I imagine 3 trashers could make pretty quick work of one of these new BCs Pirate


GOOD im tired of my dam thrasher dieing in 2 shots from a nano cane. time for the people who said eff t2 frigates when they started eve and went t2 dessie to rise up!! and kill that crap. bout dam time

and honestly destroyers should be the only thing that can come close to tracking a frigate. since i beleive the dessies have that 50% tracking bonus at lvl5.

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