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Is the guessing of a password on Eveboard illegal?

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Nambu
Two Dogs Operations
#81 - 2013-07-19 14:06:26 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
See, this is why you use an alpha-numeric password at least 16 characters long of upper and lower case letters with numbers sprinkled through it too.
It's not fool proof but it makes your password a hell of a lot harder to guess, also rotate it frequently. Arrow

Obligatory XKCD link: XKCD:Password Strength
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#82 - 2013-07-19 14:06:33 UTC
Kashmyta wrote:
You wouldn't download a car!


Soon™ in a 3D printshop near you! Shocked
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-07-19 14:13:44 UTC
RoCkEt X wrote:
Anna Karhunen wrote:
RoCkEt X wrote:


except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)

That is irrelevant point. What matters is that you did not have permission to use it.


So, if i post my API here, and select one person in this thread whom i allow to use it, anyone else using it is doing so illegally? i don't think so. If this was the case, half of eve's intel would have been obtained illegally, and for example - eveskunk would be illegal, and it's not. in any way, shape or form.


Shocked

-1 reasoning there.

If it's hidden behind a password it isn't public, even if the player used a simple password, as the INTENT was to keep it out of sight.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#84 - 2013-07-19 14:15:27 UTC
In a classic example of the blind squirrel finding an occasional nut, Ace is actually correct.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-07-19 14:35:54 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

If it's hidden behind a password it isn't public, even if the player used a simple password, as the INTENT was to keep it out of sight.

If only it wasn't posted on a public board.... something something not a reasonable expectation of privacy *vaguely legal related words*

-9 billion einsteinbrains

zzzzz...
BoomBoss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2013-07-19 14:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: BoomBoss
Even though I find this topic extremely hilarious but the titan pilot made the password publicly available in a clearly public stated recruitment forum that had as title "Public recruitment"

Even though the intent was to keep the information hidden from the public eye, by posting the key to access, in this case a password, in a public forum you are aware of the information that you post there could be used by other users or viewers.


Legal definition of public:

"As an adjective, open to all; notorious. Open to common use. Belonging to the people at large; relating to or affecting the whole people of a state, nation, or community; not limited or restricted to any particular class of the community."

In other words, just by posting there he gave everyone, the public, permission to use that information at will.


Correct me if i'm wrong.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#87 - 2013-07-19 14:40:22 UTC
The password to my EVEboard is my API key. I'm betting this guys probably was as well. If someone has my API key they can see my EVEboard. How is that hacking?

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-07-19 14:43:05 UTC
Kat Ayclism wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:

If it's hidden behind a password it isn't public, even if the player used a simple password, as the INTENT was to keep it out of sight.

If only it wasn't posted on a public board.... something something not a reasonable expectation of privacy *vaguely legal related words*

-9 billion einsteinbrains

zzzzz...


Serious trolololol fail.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#89 - 2013-07-19 14:43:37 UTC
Schalac wrote:
The password to my EVEboard is my API key. I'm betting this guys probably was as well. If someone has my API key they can see my EVEboard. How is that hacking?

Well, people are kind of mixing up two different things here.

One is accessing the “account”, which requires an API ID/vCode key pair. The other is accessing the outwards-facing character sheets, which (may) require a password.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#90 - 2013-07-19 14:47:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Schalac wrote:
The password to my EVEboard is my API key. I'm betting this guys probably was as well. If someone has my API key they can see my EVEboard. How is that hacking?

Well, people are kind of mixing up two different things here.

One is accessing the “account”, which requires an API ID/vCode key pair. The other is accessing the outwards-facing character sheets, which (may) require a password.

If someone has your API though it doesn't matter if it was hidden or not because they can access the shell of the character sheet.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#91 - 2013-07-19 14:49:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Schalac wrote:
If someone has your API though it doesn't matter if it was hidden or not because they can access the shell of the character sheet.

Oh sure. I'm just pointing out that having access to the password to the character sheet is not the same as having access to the actual account.

…it's particularly important since this difference looks like (under Swedish law) it would be the difference between a §8 and a §9c offence.
symolan
BamBam Inc.
#92 - 2013-07-19 14:58:02 UTC
Grauth Thorner wrote:

Again I'm not saying I approve this kind of data access nor do I state wether RoCkEt X was wrong/right. If this data was oh so important to Mino IV, he should've protected it this way. It's like leaving the keys of your car in any public location. Wether or not the guy who took your car was wrong/right by guessing what car the key belonged to and eventually taking it, it still was a stupid move and rather easy to blame the maker of the car for it.



As my car-keys do have a stallion on it, it's very easy to guess the car most places.

Should I forget my keys somewhere I for sure am stupid, however, that doesn't mean you're free to take the car.
Bluemelon
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#93 - 2013-07-19 15:03:49 UTC
Hi guys.

Update from BOPE corp - Rocket X was arrested on Friday 19th at 1544 at his home residence.

We'll keep you informed of his progress.

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EdFromHumanResources
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-07-19 15:04:49 UTC
No damages, no court will care. But do please keep us apprised of your attempts to pursue legal action over a video game
adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2013-07-19 15:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: adopt
Only in EVE Online will people get assmad about spaceships

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Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2013-07-19 15:06:58 UTC
Bluemelon wrote:
Hi guys.

Update from BOPE corp - Rocket X was arrested on Friday 19th at 1544 at his home residence.

We'll keep you informed of his progress.

#freerocket
cory Binchiette
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#97 - 2013-07-19 15:10:10 UTC
#Yolo #CantStopTheRock #Free Rocket X 2013
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#98 - 2013-07-19 15:11:53 UTC
symolan wrote:
As my car-keys do have a stallion on it, it's very easy to guess the car most places.


Bingo! The same goes for having 1234 as your password

symolan wrote:
Should I forget my keys somewhere I for sure am stupid, however, that doesn't mean you're free to take the car.


Bingo! I'm not saying anyone was right by using the access to Mino IV's account without permission

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adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2013-07-19 15:13:48 UTC
Grauth Thorner wrote:
symolan wrote:
As my car-keys do have a stallion on it, it's very easy to guess the car most places.


Bingo! The same goes for having 1234 as your password

symolan wrote:
Should I forget my keys somewhere I for sure am stupid, however, that doesn't mean you're free to take the car.


Bingo! I'm not saying anyone was right by using the access to Mino IV's account without permission


I'd like to point out, the skill sheets are not accounts, you need an API and IDKey to access the account. It's merely a skillsheet that displays character information, you are not able to do anything malicious with the password to the skillsheet other than observe.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#100 - 2013-07-19 15:16:32 UTC
SmokinDank wrote:
Kashmyta wrote:
You wouldn't download a car!



I would if I could!


And someone change the combination on my luggage!

3D printing is getting more and more sophisticated everyday.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23878-3dprinted-rocket-engine-gets-its-first-fiery-test.html

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