EVE General Discussion

as is pretty much every fight. Where the attackers generally wait for a time that favours THEM. (Should read Sun Tzu's Art of War if it's a foreign concept)


Um.. you don't bubble YOURSELF, you put a few bubbles around the grid with a fast ship, (at like 100+km) and then drop some cans in there to decloak him. If you don't know how to use bubbles, maybe Null's not your spot mate.


You leaving the system is as much effort as him moving into your system to begin with. You mention bringing a fleet in to bring the indy level down.. What about bringing a fleet in to PROTECT your indy level, so you can keep doing what you're doing but have protection doing so? Not to mention, being AFK he can't do jack **** anyways.

Gotcha. That, right there, is the risk aversion, ladies and gents.

The fact that someone else might start a fight on, god forbid, their terms, is so repugnant that you can just say, to hell with everything else, to hell with doing anything about it, I'm leaving.

Coward. Pure and simple.



I see grid-fu isn't taught where you live. You do realize you can put cans in the areas outside the bubbles, right? Do I seriously have to link the evelopedia entry for cloaking, to show you that touching something decloaks you? Hell, Soko99 said it before I even could.



You're such a twit...

Not even remotely true. He got in the system somehow, did he not? Or do new characters just spawn in nullsec ratting areas with Ibises, a cloak and a cyno now?

What happens then? Oh, that's right....you dock and wait us out. See the crux of the problem yet?

Are you serious? Only an idiot would get himself de-cloaked with drag bubbles at a grav. We aren't talking opportunists here. Assume the player has some small amount of skill, can see the bubbles on scan and isn't likely to land on one.



This is what I mean about poor game design. A guy can sit in your system 23/7 for 2 weeks and in order to counter the possibility of a drop, you have to bring at least enough to counter the drop and sit them in system 23/7 for 2 weeks. He's probably spending most of that time sitting in his lounge watchiing Family Guy. You, on the other hand, have to be attending to Eve that whole time because only he knows what his intentions are.

Notice the slight imbalance there? Poor game design.

No. Probably not.

No, instead you insist that people should have to bring an entire fleet just to deal with you instead. You literally just said it. Here, I'll quote your hypocrisy.


Sure, it'd be perfectly fine if the other guy had to put in a fleet worth of effort, but it's inexcusably bad design if you have to do it yourself.

"Rock is fine, nerf Scissors! Sincerely, Paper."

You can spit out "poor game design" as long as you want to, but everyone here can see that you are just spouting nonsense. You can repeat that lie as much as you want, but it will never be true.

That has not been my experience. It's actually why I cannot stand roaming gangs and love when an actual war comes, because roaming through carebear territory results in 99% of the time bears docking up as soon as our scout pops in and us trying to bait them out by sitting off station, broadcasting our intentions for up to 15 minutes and in ******** cases (when the system had the numerical advantage by far) waiting for 30 minutes for a response and leaving empty handed. So one of 3 things happens, A) we catch some unfortunate soul who was on his way back from ratting in a neighboring system on a gate. B) We roam the space countryside for hours, making 40+ agonizing jumps to go home empty handed, or we bump into another roaming gang, which for some reason always goes badly for my side.

Just curious, why do you get podded back to empire? Isnt your clone set for your home system in null?

EDIT: not gonna change it, but I'm actually kind of surprised they filter that word....

If I did something so stupid, I would not come crying to the forums for CCP to change game mechanics.

If you can't see him because he's cloaked he can't actually do anything that threatens you (i.e. no shooty or cyno). That's the compromise he accepts for being cloaked. No different than if he was docked. Not sure if you really don't understand that, or are are just trolling. Yes it would be nice if I could always determine when or if someone engages, but that's not how the sandbox works.



Reading is fundamental. I bolded the relevant bit.

How about finally telling us exactly what is broken about the cloaking game mechanic? You state there are no counters but you have been provided with several. Being lazy or afraid is not something CCP can fix. Null isn't safe. if you can't or won't protect your system, you don't deserve it.

Not surprising you won't fly when a red is in system if you aren't taking the simple but necessary steps to protect yourself and your space.

So, what exactly is poor about the game design?

I'm not crying. I'm pointing out poor game design.

You seem to be crying about the possibility of this discussion informing a nerf by CCP. Perhaps it will. Perhaps it won't. Either way, you seem to be more agitated about it than I am and that's interesting in itself.

Where?! All you keep saying is that it is, you have not provided one thing that is broken, or cannot be countered. You not being able to dictate on your terms when someone else engages is not poor game design, it's your problem and yours alone to solve.