EVE General Discussion

Who said pay them? I'm not sure of too many people who would say no if you offered them the chance to kill supercaps for free.

LOL, you made me spit beer everywhere, it was like Beerkkake.

How self-serving can one thought be? They said it was ok but they never said they wouldn't look at it? ROFL.

They.said.it.was.fine. Get over it.



There it is. There is the problem. Black and white thinking. If it doesn't work 100%, it's not an alternative.

Where have we heard that before?

oh yea, miners vs ganking. We siad "fit a tank", they said 'they will just bring more gankers so that isn't a solution" and used that as an excuse to FIT NO TANK AT ALL lol. Brilliant.they were, and brilliant you are.

Who cares is stupid people don't use the tools we've outlined. Smart people already do, which is why AFK claking isn't a problem. This is EVE, stupid lazy people in null who can't be bother to prepare are SUPPOSED to die dude.





Thank you. I accept your surrender in the Name of the French...I mean Gallente.

Which remind me, since the Gallente are french way doesn't my Domi have a surrender button?

Still too much hassle. Coridinating and that, Pllus we were in renter space, so not sure who would be allowed in and whatnot.


Local is a different argument, and I couldn't care less either way. I've lived in both null and WH, and it's not exactly high on my care list.

OK, well you spat beer all over yourself because you didn't bother reading the following sentence. Probes were working fine. They changed them. Twice in fact. "Working as intended" doesn't mean "Immune to change"

No, I'm not saying it's not 100% therefore not an alternative. I'm saying you are suggesting changing the mindset of every playier in null as an alternative. If you can't see how ridiculous that idea is then you have no hope. I know you think you are amazing but nobody else even knows who you are, so how do you plan on implementing your "change the mindset" plan. Seriously. If you can tell me a workable way for you to change all null players then I'm all ears.

It wouldn't break WH space. The idea is the probes take longer than a logoff timer and changing grid cancels them out. The act of logging off would render the probes useless. You throw out the ideas because you don't read them and then make assumptions about what it would mean.

That's what you have diplos for, but still, you're a renter. The sov holding alliance could have easily helped you out. If you hand them stuff like this, they should oblige. After all, its their rent money this guy is messing with.



Well its probably 90% of the reason afk cloaking exists at all. If you don't believe null-sec players have it good, consider this: High sec minders have to watch for gankers. Their local has tons of static from a bunch of people who may or may not be friendly. The only way for them to reliably tell if they are in danger is to pump their d-scan and look for telltale catalyst tornadoes, etc. In nullsec, all you have to do is look at local. Blue? Good. Red? uh oh, dock. That's how easy it is for the nullsec miner. Not to mention any fleets coming their way are reported miles out, long before they land you already know size, disposition and general direction.

You know what happens most of the time? They keep ratting and mining right up until the first red shows in local, then dock and wait for the storm to pass, hoping the gang will get bored quick and move on.

So you park an alt and add a little static to the mix. Of course you don't have a problem with it, but amazingly, a cloaked player is a huge, unfair and broken mechanic that needs to be fixed immediately. I wonder why that is?

Why should the guy in highsec have to mine while staying aligned and pumping his d-scan? He doesnt get to reap as good of rewards as you do? Why do the wormhole guys typically not even care? Because they deal with the uncertainty every day, and they know what ot do.

This is really no different.

And I'm saying the problem is that people DON'T counter it. Thus Null empties as soon as you enter. This will keep happening forever. Banging on and on about how people should just counter it won't change a damn thing. And the tools are exhausted. There's no way to find an AFK cloaker. I think there should be. Simples.

EDIT: Also your mitigation techniques take more time that simply having a 2nd system set up ready to go, so why the hell would any industrialist bother to sit around mitigating all day.

Right well I'm done updating market orders. Back later maybe.

Yeah, possibly they would keep searching, but that's no different from now. You can't tell if the cloaker has left or not. And yeah, I don't think WH people would care. It wouldn't have any effect on them.

They won't go back though will they. Think about it. Not every system is camped, so they just move and make money elsewhere to pay the rent. It just leaves big sections of null dead.