EVE General Discussion

So they can't just be aligned to something while they do whatever it is they do and as soon as a neut pops on the overview just instawarp off? They can't rat in a baitship that is either a) tanked or b) has a surprise point and cyno attached? They can't form standing fleets and be on voice comms like you should be in null anyway so if someone does catch them their friends can instawarp to him and eff him up? Tell me more about the tools you don't have to deal with an afk cloaked ship.

Also, back to the vigilance thing, RE: camping undock. So you're going to do that for hours while I may or may not be afk inside, never knowing when I might undock?



Forget the cost to the american taxpayer, leave that out of the equation. When you look at welfare for what it is, a safety net for people who for various reasons cannot support themselves, then you will see my meaning. While many legitimately depend on welfare due to conditions outside their own control, I feel (and I think many will agree) that far too many people use it as a crutch rather than putting forth the effort to support themselves.

That is my exact meaning and that is in essence what you are sugggesting, to fill the "void" of null you would give people such a secure safety blanket that they depend on for a crutch, and will never, EVER learn how to survive outside the walls of their ratting system. I don't want players like that, and honestly, at that point what would be the point of living in high sec?

It is CCP's decision. And thus far this thread has shown them that any arguments against afk cloaking pretty much amount to:

Waah.

Waah.

And last but not least.

Waah.

yes they can, but they dont. like i said time and again this is beside the point you are talking about them changing behaviour which will nto happen. im sayng they need a tool to separate afk from non afk so that whole systems arent perma camped by afks. thats all. stop telling me they can just "do it better" i know, but they wont change, so stop telling me. end of story.

forget the cost? no, since what i stated was the collateral damage, ie the cost that must be paid for the change to be made. the cost that is unavoidable as it is made by the change.
the cost of welfare is absolutely staggering. the cost of this change is tiny.
even what welfare provides is not similar. they wont undock, and im saying enouraging them out is better. if anythign what im suggesting is more easlity likened to a back to work program to ween people off of welfare. to encourage them to undock.

No, not everyone. Just their arguments.

Why you think that my attacking what they say, equals attacking them, is beyond me.

Their idea is wrong. Hilariously wrong. It's so idiotic it makes me laugh.

They might be perfectly ableminded individuals. But what they say? Yeah, that's stupid. And it's whining too.

So I'm still wondering how there is absolutely nothing that will change their attitudes to deal with an afk cloaker, but by God they are going to hackeye that guy parked in station and bubble the undock and wait with instacanes and nagas for that guy to show his face...nevermind they could be ratting this entire time but, when you can see your prey apparently attitudes change.


The collateral damage is bringing in even more weak minded players, the cost of welfare was not my point at all, it was the quality of player you are bringing in being likened to the dependents of welfare.

What you are suggesting I guess could be like a get back to work program, if that program offered people jobs where they can come in to work in pajamas and unshaved and tell customers to go plow themselves and still collect a paycheck.

And the classic "No, you are!" argument. A standby of playgrounds and cafeteria lunchrooms alike.

But since EvE has always been a niche game, and it's that aspect of the game that's kept the playerbase throughout all these years, trying to turn it into like the OTHER MMO's is a rather stupid idea. The anger wasn't over aurum if you had actually read the stuff, it was over bringing in things for REAL money that would/could give an advantage in game. before you say how is that different from PLEX, simple.. I can go and by myself a carrier by buying plex for real money, selling it, and buying a carrier capable pilot, that doesn't necessarily mean that I know how to fly a carrier/dread/titan.


It's a situation where both sides have merit. After all, there's the saying if it ain't broke don't fix it.


you left out an important part in that sentence there.. .ability of a player that is not at their desk being able to add PERCEIVED threat to the system I live in.

Since if he's afk he's no threat.. I thought we already established that an afk player by default can't do anything and is thus no threat.



AGREED

yeah i agree on the aurum and node stuff. that was simply an example of how it can be stated as a positive or a negative depending on the opinion of the poster. and yes, perceived threat indeed.

Says the guy who hasn't capitalized a letter in about 3 pages...

But you're right, I am trolling you. But it's because I realized that you are unredeemable, you are a scrub, by your way of thinking, and of your advocating for even less thought in the game.

And I did not "resort" to anything. I called it like I see it. And I have yet to see a single "I hate afk cloaking!" thread with any kind of coherent argument that isn't just "I hate afk cloaking! So it should go away because I hate it!".

Which is the silly presumption of a child. I apologize if my "Waah" comments hurt your precious feelings. Actually, no I don't, it was hilarious. Deal with it. Just like people should deal with afk cloaking.

ooh and a grammar nazi too. im allergic to shift keys.
yes you are tolling, because you have nothing to add. and that makes me a scrub? grow up kiddo.
you are yet to see a single afk cloaking thread with a coherent argument because no argument against afk cloaking to you is valid. again you are reflecting your opinions on the validity of opposed opinions.
bascially you are the classic example of an idiot. you think everything you disagree with is automatically wrong and you lack the ability to properly oppose the argument, so you simply convey your though that the argument is automatically wrong over and over again, rapidly descending into ad hominem.
that said, posts hidden.