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[Odyssey 1.1] Heavy Assault Cruisers

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X ATM092
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#161 - 2013-07-18 14:10:11 UTC  |  Edited by: X ATM092
These need to have at least the same base speed and agility as the faction cruisers. You can use the osprey as the base for the eagle, the augoror for the sac and so forth. The eagle needs at least another low.

You simply cannot have just four lows on an optimal range bonused gunnery boat. To take advantage of the range needs speed and agility (lowslots), to get damage needs damage mods (lowslots), to apply damage needs tracking mods (lowslots) and you need tracking mods more than ever since rails got a tracking nerf. If the eagle isn't improved it will remain the special snowflake of eve. You must give it more lows.
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#162 - 2013-07-18 14:10:37 UTC
These changes all look good. However the Ishtar could still use a bit more CPU.

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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#163 - 2013-07-18 14:11:34 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Pesadel0 wrote:
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What i'am saying is that the bonus to the vaga puts her in a role that frankly i dont think suits her , but to make her do just thta give her a med and take a low or something, what i would prefer is a bonus to damage or to speed to tank in speed but hey i still live in the old nano times...


It got a sig bonus, which should marginally help its tank.
As for the "nano times"... they're over.
CCP is pushing EVE towards aggressive, risky tactics, which is where the AB bonus fits.
The buff to armor tanks, the speed disparity decrease, the incoming OGB fix, etc., all good and explodey stuff.


wtf are you talking about.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#164 - 2013-07-18 14:13:03 UTC
Yeah, while the Ishtar doesn't really need a huge powergrid (neutrons weren't very popular with them anyway) the Ishtar was lacking on something rather important:

CPU. Ishtar's CPU is awful.

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David Kir
Hotbirds
#165 - 2013-07-18 14:13:39 UTC  |  Edited by: David Kir
Diesel47 wrote:

wtf are you talking about.


About the fact that kiting (as most "damage avoiding" tactics) is becoming less and less viable.

EDIT: poor grammar.

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#166 - 2013-07-18 14:14:59 UTC
Sacrilige buff was still not strong enought, it still appears uselss compared to the rest. The Eagle looks like a good buff combined with the rails. Demios change with the extra buff and mid slot will have crashed the Vigilant price. The utility high was pretty useless and the extra web/scram/dual prop will be sweet fora close range blaster ship. having 4 mids could allow for shield DPS PVE fit but still not as good as a shield dps vigilant.

Vagabond speed nerf is nice that ship was a little OP.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#167 - 2013-07-18 14:16:31 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Sacrilige buff was still not strong enought, it still appears uselss compared to the rest. The Eagle looks like a good buff combined with the rails. Demios change with the extra buff and mid slot will have crashed the Vigilant price. The utility high was pretty useless and the extra web/scram/dual prop will be sweet fora close range blaster ship. having 4 mids could allow for shield DPS PVE fit but still not as good as a shield dps vigilant.

Vagabond speed nerf is nice that ship was a little OP.



The Vagabond's speed was not nerfed.

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Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2013-07-18 14:17:00 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

Vagabond speed nerf is nice that ship was a little OP.



Lol.

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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#169 - 2013-07-18 14:17:12 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Sacrilige buff was still not strong enought, it still appears uselss compared to the rest. The Eagle looks like a good buff combined with the rails. Demios change with the extra buff and mid slot will have crashed the Vigilant price. The utility high was pretty useless and the extra web/scram/dual prop will be sweet fora close range blaster ship. having 4 mids could allow for shield DPS PVE fit but still not as good as a shield dps vigilant.

Vagabond speed nerf is nice that ship was a little OP.



What vagabond speed nerf?
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#170 - 2013-07-18 14:17:53 UTC
In order to get the most out of the ishtar slot layout, more cpu is definitely needed.
Yanarix Blitz
Black Scare
#171 - 2013-07-18 14:18:06 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:

wtf are you talking about.


About the fact that kiting (as most "damage avoiding" tactics) is becoming less and less viable.

EDIT: poor grammar.


here i must agree, and its terrible imho.

restricting games/playstyles instead of broadening its features and possiblilities is often their death.... but as i said, ccp wil realise their wrong doings once the playerbase dwindels again cus of ****** "expansions"
Ix Method
Doomheim
#172 - 2013-07-18 14:19:07 UTC
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Pesadel0
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#173 - 2013-07-18 14:19:34 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Pesadel0 wrote:
[

What i'am saying is that the bonus to the vaga puts her in a role that frankly i dont think suits her , but to make her do just thta give her a med and take a low or something, what i would prefer is a bonus to damage or to speed to tank in speed but hey i still live in the old nano times...


It got a sig bonus, which should marginally help its tank.
As for the "nano times"... they're over.
CCP is pushing EVE towards aggressive, risky tactics, which is where the AB bonus fits.
The buff to armor tanks, the speed disparity decrease, the incoming OGB fix, etc., all good and explodey stuff.




That is all fine and dandy , but as i said at least do a good job at making the vaga a "close" brawler , and speed tanking isn't over just watch the cyna or anyh angel ship..
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#174 - 2013-07-18 14:20:59 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why is the Ishtar not getting some fitting buff, the vexor has +100 power grid and +15 CPU

The vexor is gun bonused and sort of expected to use them, the ishtar is not. You can fit a 1600mm plate based tank and "basically anything you want" to the vexor already if you don't make much use of the highs, or you can fill your highs with utility modules at the cost of a lighter tank and tighter fitting. It's a fair trade off.


"It fits if you leave 5 slots empty" is not a very convincing argument for the Ishtar having sufficient CPU.

Even drone boats have a use for those high slots.. DLA IIs are 55 CPU each, for instance.


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Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#175 - 2013-07-18 14:21:29 UTC
Suitonia wrote:
These changes all look good. However the Ishtar could still use a bit more CPU.

By a bit, do you mean 150?
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2013-07-18 14:21:33 UTC
One thing first:

Eagle needs a huge max lock range increase to begin with.

70km is way too low for a double 10% optimal range bonused ship , it is only 5km more than the deimos's...
increase it to 85km or more




and for the deimos
the new role bonus probably helps it the least compared to the other hacs
couldnt it get lower signature radius? the zealot is 125m ,deimos 150m ...

ishtar sniper drone carrier of doom .... will be op as hell, a smaller/faster dominix with t2 resists just what we needed
oh and this can probably mwd forever with small signature

vaga:
"Please keep in mind that it can still be used exactly the same way that it always has been with virtually no change in performance."
hmm role bonus should give it much better results vs large guns,so the performance improved a lot(probably the winner of the role boni)
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2013-07-18 14:21:57 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:

Deimos
Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff

Just so you know, there are charges beyond Antimatter and Null.
This would be much better served as a tracking bonus, since this ship is made for a MWD

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Photon Ceray
Palmyra Universal Enterprise
#178 - 2013-07-18 14:22:07 UTC
Love the changes!

I hope they turn out in practice as good as they don paper/forum.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#179 - 2013-07-18 14:22:27 UTC
Pesadel0 wrote:
David Kir wrote:
Pesadel0 wrote:
[

What i'am saying is that the bonus to the vaga puts her in a role that frankly i dont think suits her , but to make her do just thta give her a med and take a low or something, what i would prefer is a bonus to damage or to speed to tank in speed but hey i still live in the old nano times...


It got a sig bonus, which should marginally help its tank.
As for the "nano times"... they're over.
CCP is pushing EVE towards aggressive, risky tactics, which is where the AB bonus fits.
The buff to armor tanks, the speed disparity decrease, the incoming OGB fix, etc., all good and explodey stuff.




That is all fine and dandy , but as i said at least do a good job at making the vaga a "close" brawler , and speed tanking isn't over just watch the cyna or anyh angel ship..


Speed tanking is still fine, and if you can speed tank with a Cynabal, the Vagabond does a better job, given the much smaller signature.
But the nano age is definitely over.

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#180 - 2013-07-18 14:24:08 UTC
SO what about the resistances CCP.... any changes here .. how about reducing them?
90% resist on EM for instance is this balanced at all?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using