Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well this is where the argument over adding missiles to TE's/TC's come in as gunships can use them to strong effect against frigs but missile ships can't having a similar tracking to say a vaga via a Light assault missile with TE's/TC's and say an explosion velocity bonus would be adding more options to the game and make sense instead of using frig ammo to do the job with much less dps.
It should have ability to fight larger stuff aswell instead of being a anti frig only ship.

Also corax is excellent anti frig .. the role of the destroyer and all .. cruisers shouldn't be aimed at killing smaller ships than itself.

Having a much larger tank and more damage is a pretty good substitute for being better at running away. Why should it be able to outrun a caracal?

Wait, are you serious on this?
We get a bonus to sentries, putting Garde IIs out to 45Km, but then you don't expect us to put medium sized weapons in the high slots.
So we are left with 45Km drone projection and 8~10 km turret projection. And still not enough CPU to give a damn about drone mods and tank.

For the Deimos PLEASE DONT TAKE MY 6TH HIGH SLOT! It desperately needs this for NOS due to the amount of neuts in the game. You did this for the Megathron and it worked as Megathrons always have cap boosters fitted due to the MWD, however with the cap bonus to the MWD the Deimos doesn’t need a cap booster taking away that high slot forces it to have one or risk being shutdown. This would really hurt the passive Deimos setups.


The rest of the changes look good mostly though I feel they might not have gone far enough compared to their T1 and navy counterparts especially the speed difference. (I would have liked to see and increase to sensor strength to stop those pesky ecm drones)

How about for the eagle up the optimal range bonus to 20% and replace the second bonus with a rate of fire

There still remains the question of "what are HAC's specialized in as a T2 ship"

Even after these changes, it still seems like every one of these HACs (except the Ishtar) is completely outshone by a similar purposed Strategic cruiser, which might cost 1.5-2.5 times as much, but have more tank, DPS, and utility than any of these HACs can dream of.

Successful T2 ship classes have roles that it and only it can fulfill, only dictors can bubble, only Bombers can bomb, only Logistics ships can provide long range reps on a tough platform. As long as HACs are strictly worse than T3s in every aspect besides price, the use of HACs will be limited (and similarly, Command ships are less used because a boosting T3 completely outshines it). HACs should be able to do something that only HAC’s can do, instead of being a T3 for poor people.

How about giving HACs a role bonus to allow them to more easily hold their ground against masses of battleships? AB HACs are “a thing” so the MWD bonus is poorly suited for tanking battleships fleets, which are often supported by Recons and Tackle T3’s. Perhaps a 50% reduction from Web and Painter effects, so these ships can get under battleship guns even when webbed and painted. That specific bonus is probably too powerful in brawling situations.

Or failing that give them a MWD cap use bonus on top of the sig reduction to make them kiting ships without peer. Just anything to make them something other than poor-man T3's. I trust CCP Devs to figure a way to make HAC's truly useful.

A medium nos is only an effective counter to 1 small neut, and it uses up pretty much all of your powergrid. Utility highslots are going to continue to be worse than mids/lows for the forseeable future.

I like most of the changes, but the one change I really wanted was some more CPU for the Ishtar.

rise, cerb already has double bonuses on TQ. it's worded like "flight time to assault missiles" but since rapid lights used to be called assault it applies to them. removing lights from the second range bonus would be a nerf. maybe that's what you're after idk